MrDuck Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I'm not too fussed if we don't play the greatest football, if we generally win. I'm not too fussed if Bruce doesn't have his own style that he instills in the team regardless of personnel, if generally we win. I'll give him some leeway at the beginning of the season too, after a torrid summer. But I'm finding it hard to forgive him for going into the season with one bloody centre back. Inexcusable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, MrDuck said: I'm not too fussed if we don't play the greatest football, if we generally win. I'm not too fussed if Bruce doesn't have his own style that he instills in the team regardless of personnel, if generally we win. I'll give him some leeway at the beginning of the season too, after a torrid summer. But I'm finding it hard to forgive him for going into the season with one bloody centre back. Inexcusable. To be fair I find it hard to believe he wasn’t trying to get one in once the new owners came in and I don’t mean just the last minute deals we heard about. There will have been activity going on for players that we won’t know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 9 hours ago, villarocker said: The start to this season has a sense of deja vu to the start we made last season. Last season's start killed our hopes of automatic promotion and right now it seems like this start will put paid to our automatic promotion hopes this season. Most fans would have seen us losing at Sheffield United after the way we'd struggled so far this season. All bar the performance against Brentford were a struggle and even though we played great in that game we so easily could have lost it. Right now, can anyone see us beating the likes of Boro, West Brom, Forest, Leeds etc? Bruce seems to have learnt nothing from last season and because of that he surely needs to be changed. The start of last season didn’t kill our hopes, we got up to second quite near the end of the season and then blew it once we got there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjaacckk91 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 47 minutes ago, Tommo_b said: To be fair I find it hard to believe he wasn’t trying to get one in once the new owners came in and I don’t mean just the last minute deals we heard about. There will have been activity going on for players that we won’t know about. I'd imagine we were but why do you let your only other senior center back go out on loan for the season when you haven't got anyone else in. That's the bit that gets me. The club and Bruce have dug themselves an almighty hole, we can say they were trying or they thought they had someone but they are just excuses and unfortunately excuses don't play centre back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AvfcRigo82 Posted September 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2018 6 hours ago, DaveAV1 said: The Aberdeen manager has said that we bid too late for Scott McKenna. He said we bid £7m which wasn’t enough anyway, but the primary reason they rejected it was that they had no chance of replacing him. He said he’d spoken to Bruce the previous week and Bruce had said we were thinking of bidding and was told he needs to get on with it if he’s going to. When the bid came in 5 hours before the window closed he said it was too late for them to find a replacement. I’m not sure if that is Bruce’s fault, there may have been other factors, but the guy said it was Bruce who made all the calls. Shambolic whoever is to blame. Hopefully the new CEO won’t allow that to happen in the future. Thank **** Steve Bruce isn't an airline pilot... "Ladies and Gentlemen, This is your pilot speaking, we will shortly be arriving at Hysteria airport and are coming into land... on the runway or thereabouts, prepare for landing" 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, jjaacckk91 said: unfortunately excuses don't play centre back. Good job too. Bruce would have em at Right Back, or possibly in goal. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 hours ago, MrDuck said: I'm not too fussed if we don't play the greatest football, if we generally win. I'm not too fussed if Bruce doesn't have his own style that he instills in the team regardless of personnel, if generally we win. I'll give him some leeway at the beginning of the season too, after a torrid summer. But I'm finding it hard to forgive him for going into the season with one bloody centre back. Inexcusable. Makes no sense. I could handle us signing someone that turned out to be crap as least we were prepared as much as possible. But to continue without signing another centre half while focusing on securing Bolasie and Abraham just blows my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 5, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2018 7 hours ago, DaveAV1 said: The Aberdeen manager has said that we bid too late for Scott McKenna. He said we bid £7m which wasn’t enough anyway, but the primary reason they rejected it was that they had no chance of replacing him. He said he’d spoken to Bruce the previous week and Bruce had said we were thinking of bidding and was told he needs to get on with it if he’s going to. When the bid came in 5 hours before the window closed he said it was too late for them to find a replacement. I’m not sure if that is Bruce’s fault, there may have been other factors, but the guy said it was Bruce who made all the calls. Shambolic whoever is to blame. Hopefully the new CEO won’t allow that to happen in the future. I would assume that was because we thought we were going to get this French guy. And once he pulled out we had to go for our next choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I would assume that was because we thought we were going to get this French guy. And once he pulled out we had to go for our next choice. Probably yes Stevo, but it was widely reported that the guy wanted to stay in France, so I’m not sure it would have been a big surprise that we didn’t get it over the line. Surely we should have put our own deadline on securing him that left us a couple of days or so to look elsewhere if it didn’t happen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedman Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Probably yes Stevo, but it was widely reported that the guy wanted to stay in France, so I’m not sure it would have been a big surprise that we didn’t get it over the line. Surely we should have put our own deadline on securing him that left us a couple of days or so to look elsewhere if it didn’t happen? Tbf that was only widely reported the evening before deadline day, prior to that he was all but nailed on to sign by all accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Probably yes Stevo, but it was widely reported that the guy wanted to stay in France, so I’m not sure it would have been a big surprise that we didn’t get it over the line. Surely we should have put our own deadline on securing him that left us a couple of days or so to look elsewhere if it didn’t happen? Don't be daft. That would be the logical sensible option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 5, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2018 32 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Probably yes Stevo, but it was widely reported that the guy wanted to stay in France, so I’m not sure it would have been a big surprise that we didn’t get it over the line. Surely we should have put our own deadline on securing him that left us a couple of days or so to look elsewhere if it didn’t happen? It wasn't an excuse. It's a joke that we're only left with one decent CB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: And once he pulled out we had to go for our next choice. In which we never had one, nor the time to complete it even if we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 53 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Probably yes Stevo, but it was widely reported that the guy wanted to stay in France, so I’m not sure it would have been a big surprise that we didn’t get it over the line. Surely we should have put our own deadline on securing him that left us a couple of days or so to look elsewhere if it didn’t happen? Always a contingency plan, or so you'd think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Tom Ross... Quote 'Why it's far too early to talk of sacking Steve Bruce' - Tom Ross has a message for Aston Villa fans BirminghamLive columnist Tom Ross has his say on all things Aston Villa Aston Villa are just three points off third place in the Championship and already some are calling for manager Steve Bruce to be sacked. With just six games played, it’s far too early to consider a change. Bruce’s detractors will say I am only writing this because he is “my friend”. However, I will say I believe it is far too early to call time on him as Villa manager. I am not saying Villa fans, or any other supporters, have no right to voice their opinion on a manager and whether or not they want him sacked. They have an unquestionable right to their opinion. However, in my experience it is far too early in the season to be thinking of making a change. Without doubt, Steve has to win games because it’s winning that keeps managers in jobs. Let me make it clear, Steve Bruce is not a friend. I don’t socialise with him, however, I have dealt with him professionally for years and get on well with him and I genuinely believe he is good at his job, as his Championship record proves. Some on social media talk about the multi-millions he has wasted in the transfer market. Well, it’s about time someone made it clear how much he has actually spent. Prior to the new owners coming in, he had forked out around £2 million-£3 million net over two or three transfer windows since arriving in October 2016. The club was struggling when he walked in the door so he loaned out around seven players and brought in five and changed that team from a struggling one, to one that reached the play-off final the following season. The club has been financially mismanaged for years with mega-millions wasted on poor recruitment of players by a number of managers, who, by the way, saw the team relegated from the Premier League and then fail to win promotion – or even reach the play-off final – despite having the parachute payments. In previous seasons before relegation from the Premier League Villa finished fourth-bottom and sixth-bottom, showing the financial rot had been there for some time. At the time of his appointment as chief executive, Keith Wyness told me and other journalists Villa were struggling with Financial Fair Play (FFP), which has been hanging over the club’s head with each season in the Championship due to wages and losses. Steve had to work under those severe financial restraints, which grew after Dr Tony Xia gambled millions on Roberto Di Matteo gaining a quick return to the Premier League. The club had only won one game in 11 when Bruce took over – but won 15 of the remaining 35 to finish mid-table. I keep reading things like “we don’t like the football he is playing”, “he plays players out of position” and “he doesn’t pick the right team”. That is all a matter of opinion and is subjective, at best. However, performances do not avoid relegation or win promotion – results do. If a team keeps losing then usually there is only one outcome and that is the manager gets the boot. I have no issue with any fan wanting Steve Bruce to be sacked as I suppose they pay their money and, like anyone else, are entitled to that opinion. I just don’t happen to agree with it. Do you want to be a club famous for changing its manager? Four names on the manager’s door in 20 months, Bruce being the fourth in October 2016. Four times he has won promotion to the Premier League and he even got unfashionable Hull to the FA Cup final. One thing is for certain, those fans that want him gone, and it is definitely not all Villa supporters, will eventually get their way such is the nature of the game. Villa is a very well-supported club with a history of success, however, there is no club anywhere that has a divine right to win promotion based on history or support. It has to be earned. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/why-its-far-early-talk-15112624 Apparently Bruce has 4, count it, 4 promotions from the Championship. Just reeks of a commissioned article, the fact that he feels the need to state he's not a personal friend of Bruce doesn't help. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, sne said: Tom Ross... https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/why-its-far-early-talk-15112624 Apparently Bruce has 4, count it, 4 promotions from the Championship. Just reeks of a commissioned article, the fact that he feels the need to state he's not a personal friend of Bruce doesn't help. I hate the word and rarely use it but that word removed is a word removed. **** Tom Ross, horrible little snide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, sne said: Tom Ross... I stopped reading. rocket polisher! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I stopped reading. rocket polisher! Tom Toss and Shelley Osbourne sandwich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 First an SOS to Terry and now getting his buddies to write up glowing articles... He's scraping the barrel clinging on for his life now! What next? A Jim White wankfest on talkshite why Bruce is the man to take us up? Someone pull the trigger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, sne said: Tom Ross... https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/why-its-far-early-talk-15112624 Apparently Bruce has 4, count it, 4 promotions from the Championship. Just reeks of a commissioned article, the fact that he feels the need to state he's not a personal friend of Bruce doesn't help. My reading of that sentence is that he is not denying he is a friend of Bruce, in fact seems to be affirming it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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