Steve Bruce

[TRO]

5 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said:

How long before McGinn's industry and natural enthusiasm is dented by the Bruce grinder. How long before El Ghazi settles for the tempo that Bruce's Villa plays at? This is why I want to see SB gone. He's unwittingly inflicting damage on our squad with the numbing negativity of his brand of football.

Good players with potential become ordinary very quickly under Bruce's 'management'.

A number of our players could be a lot better than our Leeds poster is currently rating them, but I totally understand why Cjay holds his opinion.

Its an increasingly concerning view.imo.

[AvfcRigo82]

8 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

The board could speak to their potential targets now but think this constitutes an 'illegal approach'

Unless they have already spoken to their 'targets' before they became actively involved with the club.  

[AvfcRigo82]

9 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said:

How long before McGinn's industry and natural enthusiasm is dented by the Bruce grinder. How long before El Ghazi settles for the tempo that Bruce's Villa plays at? This is why I want to see SB gone. He's unwittingly inflicting damage on our squad with the numbing negativity of his brand of football.

Good players with potential become ordinary very quickly under Bruce's 'management'.

A number of our players could be a lot better than our Leeds poster is currently rating them, but I totally understand why Cjay holds his opinion.

An analysis I very much agree with.

[villabromsgrove]

9 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

this is quite a key point that people forget. sacking a manager gets rid of one problem but creates another - having no manager whatsoever. the backroom tend to be the manager's and will likely follow him out i.e. agnew + cc. kmac is a proven failure when has been in caretaker charge of this club. so i see bruce's job as being quite safe unless someone became available. the board could speak to their potential targets now but think this constitutes an 'illegal approach'

I watched a clip of Purslow discussing approaches for contracted managers and players, and he said that in reality conversations are going on all the time behind the scenes with agents or representatives on the basis of "would your client be interested if we did make an approach"? 

 

[Hoof hearted]

I **** hate this thread. 

Just thought you all needed to know that.

[DaveAV1]

2 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said:

I watched a clip of Purslow discussing approaches for contracted managers and players, and he said that in reality conversations are going on all the time behind the scenes with agents or representatives on the basis of "would your client be interested if we did make an approach"? 

 

I’m sure that’s the case. Only us, particularly under Randy Lerner, have ever stuck rigidly to the rules. We were hung out to dry by Dave Whelan the Wigan Chairman over Martinez a few years to go, he made mugs of us. 

Whilst I don’t want us ever to be a nasty club, I do want us to be a savvy club. We can mock Spurs over the Grealish none transfer, but if we had been run half as well as them over the last 10 years, we’d still be in the Premiership. 

[Kiwivillan]

27 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

this is quite a key point that people forget. sacking a manager gets rid of one problem but creates another - having no manager whatsoever. the backroom tend to be the manager's and will likely follow him out i.e. agnew + cc. kmac is a proven failure when has been in caretaker charge of this club. so i see bruce's job as being quite safe unless someone became available. the board could speak to their potential targets now but think this constitutes an 'illegal approach'

We can get rid of Calderwood? Where do I sign up? He's majorly the problem considering Bruce leaves training to him

[Cjay]

34 minutes ago, Hoof hearted said:

'ark at Pep and his team of all stars over here!

Form wise can you blame me?

I'm sure they are better then they seem but while Bruce has to take lots of responsibility for whats gone on so do the players imo.

Jack Grealish is meant to be this £30mil player, if thats the case he should be grabbing games by the balls imo.

Regardless of Bruce that much talent should be doing more, cant be entirely his fault.

[Cjay]

30 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said:

How long before McGinn's industry and natural enthusiasm is dented by the Bruce grinder. How long before El Ghazi settles for the tempo that Bruce's Villa plays at? This is why I want to see SB gone. He's unwittingly inflicting damage on our squad with the numbing negativity of his brand of football.

Good players with potential become ordinary very quickly under Bruce's 'management'.

A number of our players could be a lot better than our Leeds poster is currently rating them, but I totally understand why Cjay holds his opinion.

I do wonder what Bielsa could do with your squad.

 

[GarethRDR]

1 minute ago, Cjay said:

I do wonder what Bielsa could do with your squad.

 

Throw his toys out of the pram at the first sign of dissension and leave an absolute mess in his wake?

[TRO]

7 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said:

I watched a clip of Purslow discussing approaches for contracted managers and players, and he said that in reality conversations are going on all the time behind the scenes with agents or representatives on the basis of "would your client be interested if we did make an approach"? 

 

It doesn't surprise me, but also highlights the incessant pursuit of success by all.

continuity is key, but as Klopp has illustrated, its only ok, when the decisions are consistently good....and strength is incremental.

a poor manager or poor decisions, will have a club treading water for ever, so continuity fails in those circumstances.....but constant turnover can have equally alluding effect, if decisions are ill thought through.

in a pursuit of desperation, it has affected our recruitment over the years and rendered us a club that is always patching things up....and making rash decisions.

I don't see a future in just signing names like it is " football manager".....  I would prefer to see a manager sign unknowns, but is sure of the completed team build and balance....like Saunders and Taylor did.

I am afraid i don't see that.

 

[DaveAV1]

4 minutes ago, Cjay said:

Form wise can you blame me?

I'm sure they are better then they seem but while Bruce has to take lots of responsibility for whats gone on so do the players imo.

Jack Grealish is meant to be this £30mil player, if thats the case he should be grabbing games by the balls imo.

Regardless of Bruce that much talent should be doing more, cant be entirely his fault.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you on Grealish. He’s definitely not the finished article. However good managers create situations where their most talented players thrive and develop those players individually too. Grealish won’t develop much when the manager’s main input is to tell him to put his boots. 

[osmark86]

11 minutes ago, Cjay said:

Form wise can you blame me?

I'm sure they are better then they seem but while Bruce has to take lots of responsibility for whats gone on so do the players imo.

Jack Grealish is meant to be this £30mil player, if thats the case he should be grabbing games by the balls imo.

Regardless of Bruce that much talent should be doing more, cant be entirely his fault.

if you take time to analyze some of our games (which I doubt you will if you value your time ) you'd see that we really don't have a particular system which seems to hamper our team massively. we are extremely one-dimensional in our attack which begs the question, what sort of movements are we drilling into this squad? rarely do our players have clear passing options and our players look lost as to what to do. and in defense a lot of the time you see players hesitating to press as if they're waiting on another player to do so. at other times you see two or three players leaving their positions to press without any other players covering the lost ground (as if suddenly we were playing total football out of the blue). it's like these decisions have to be made by the players not off a basis of drilled instructions, but rather by their own initiative hoping that it doesn't leave the rest of the team exposed. we look very aimless with Bruce at the helm.

I believe that a lot of them should be fighting more, but generally when we have seen players come in they've done this. they have fought a lot and showed immense promise. a few more games down the road and they look like shadows of their former selves. if we had a proper system then I think we'd see the full potential of these players, not always but a lot more often than we do now.

Edited September 4, 2018 by osmark86

[Kiwivillan]

Seriously though can we get rid of Calderwood ASAP. Have always thought he's a big part of the problem. He left Brighton and they got promoted 

[TRO]

6 minutes ago, Cjay said:

Form wise can you blame me?

I'm sure they are better then they seem but while Bruce has to take lots of responsibility for whats gone on so do the players imo.

Jack Grealish is meant to be this £30mil player, if thats the case he should be grabbing games by the balls imo.

Regardless of Bruce that much talent should be doing more, cant be entirely his fault.

At the moment, you have a case, but as we all know, things can change, fortunes can turn around very quickly.

We have players playing well below their capabilities, for whatever reason.....it wont last forever, our new owners will get it right.

just make hay while the sun shines.

ps watched you against Boro, wasnt particularly impressed if i am honest.

[TRO]

12 minutes ago, Cjay said:

I do wonder what Bielsa could do with your squad.

 

We are 6 games in......lets see what he can do with yours?

[striker]

10 minutes ago, Cjay said:

I do wonder what Bielsa could do with your squad.

 

Taking a wild guess team selections with players in their correct positions and more movement than mannequins?

[villabromsgrove]

6 minutes ago, Cjay said:

I do wonder what Bielsa could do with your squad.

 

I think he'd traumatise our older less mobile players!

Joking aside, Rodgers, Smith, Wilder, Bielsa etc would take this squad and shake it by the scruff of the neck!

We have good attacking potential and each of the managers mentioned would get far more end product out of players that Bruce cannot get a tune out of.

[TRO]

7 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

Seriously though can we get rid of Calderwood ASAP. Have always thought he's a big part of the problem. He left Brighton and they got promoted 

But they were on track to be promoted, when he was there.

I have no idea, if he is any good or not.

Wild speculation by us fans, based on our hunches, is not helpful really.

it is peoples jobs here.....we need to be sure....in order to be fair.

[praisedmambo]

9 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

Seriously though can we get rid of Calderwood ASAP. Have always thought he's a big part of the problem. He left Brighton and they got promoted 

Logic breakdown. They were in the automatic places when he was there, I'm sure. If they weren't in the top two they were certainly thereabouts.