TRO Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, terrytini said: I sometimes think football is a bit 'emperors new clothes'. This thread reminds me very much of a chat I had recently with my lads who wanted to get rid of his knackered old Vauxhall. he said there were all sorts of bits wrong with it, kept conking out on him, and it was well past its scrap by date. Trouble is, all the cars he could afford to replace it with were full of faults of their own. When I read of Wagner needing his own players and lacking experience, and Bruce having had as many failures as successes, (not to mention being widely slated for his absence of tactical flexibility) and God knows how many old names from the merry go round who have more faults than qualities, makes me think, I thought most of us thought anyone with half a brain could get this Team winning ? Perhaps not. Almost without exception our next guy will either have failed in previous jobs and been sacked, or, if he hasn't it will be because he's not been in the game long enough ! IMO it makes no difference who we get, none whatsoever. At the level we are recruiting whether they will do well is, as before, almost entirely down to luck. Some say (and I agree) "have a project, build for the future" - the amount of times we have said this, the amount of times other Clubs have said it - if it was that easy everyone would do it - nothing is more of a cliché than 'a project'. And all it really does is enable a new guy to perform pretty poorly in Year One. Some say (and again, I agree) get a new bright hope - but again, every Club would do this if it worked. Odds are that if we go down that route it wont work - for every Wenger there are hundreds of Owen Coyles et al. Some think 'experience' will get us promoted this year - (and yet again, I 'agree') again, if it was a simple as that Bruce and Redknapp, for example, would be highly sought after, rather than ignored. People that want a guy in particular will easily find enough reasons to get him. And others will find enough reasons not to. So for my money that stick the names in a hat, do away with the charade of pretending that some Solomon like wisdom is going to prevail, and choose whoever. And whoever it is, all keep our fingers crossed they get some luck. Lot of wisdom in that Terry, but I think you give too much credence to those who select managers when you say if it was so easy "they would all do that".....No one is saying it is easy. Let me put another point to you....How many managers would play one in midfield, (one that won the European cup)....never in a million years I hear folk say.....none in our division would do that, so not all do the same thing. Because Like Lambert declared.....some can't see the woods for the trees.....I think RDM entered the same woods as Lambert Long Ball....Short passing game.....Managers disagree......Doctors disagree......scientists Disagree. Its all about opinions and yes we do need that bit of Luck as you say Not everything works for everybody....every club has different problems, whilst having similar problems, its a paradox. as Big Ron said at Peterborough, shouting and bawling doesn't work every week, but now and again it might be necessary.....its all about balance, not everything works all the time, but most things work every so often....thats where decision making comes in. I hear Tom Ross say in tonights B/mail commenting on RDM.....about keeping a settled side......Thats all well and good when you are winning, try doing that when you are not winning, everyone expects you to change it to find the winning formula. There are so many platitudes flying around I feel dizzy. I wish I knew the answer. as for Wenger....it might be worth mentioning the credit to David Dein for having his eye stretch to the other side of the world. Edited October 5, 2016 by TRO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 26 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Did he say Quagmire! yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 5, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted October 5, 2016 11 hours ago, AJ said: I cannot recall anyone on this thread saying that Bruce's day is done. You need to read back then, I posted specifically because I read several comments saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 36 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Did he say Quagmire! yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 think Pearson & Moyes was favourites last time.....RDM was out of the blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just now, TRO said: think Pearson & Moyes was favourites last time.....RDM was out of the blue. I recall RDM, Garde and Sherwood all becoming odds on by most bookies before it was announced. I remember Sherwood in particular as many told me Bookies odds don't mean anything and Sherwood could never be manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Gary Thomas said: Should have got that Warnock fella......(warning: video contains a lot of swearing) would love to know if they turned it around and won 3-2 or if they lost 5-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 What's roy Hodgson up to ? Was good enough a while ago. Rubbish for England but to be fair that's because we freeze every tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: would love to know if they turned it around and won 3-2 or if they lost 5-0 They scored but lost 2-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 39 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Did he say Quagmire! yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) So is it Wagner or Bruce? Anyone know? (Richard and Southener I'm looking at you here haha) Edited October 5, 2016 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: They scored but lost 2-1. well they won the second half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 6 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: would love to know if they turned it around and won 3-2 or if they lost 5-0 Lost 2-1 so got a goal back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, brummybloke said: What's roy Hodgson up to ? He's with AJ reading back... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 5, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted October 5, 2016 That Guardian article on Bruce a few pages back is pretty damning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 hours ago, Flynnchin84 said: You can't have been on VT for very long then. This is the site that has posters saying a one minutes applause for an infant who died from leukaemia is a waste of time. Saying appointing the worlds best football managers is 'risky' is nothing lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, sidcow said: You need to read back then, I posted specifically because I read several comments saying that. Apologies, Sid. I agree, it is a bit silly for people to say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Did he say Quagmire! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 59 minutes ago, It's Your Round said: He's with AJ reading back... Its not what I call fun. He insists on reading everything aloud. A stroke effected duck has better elocution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Steve Bruce please. No one else seems remotely as good especially if Wagner doesn't want the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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