penguin Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The throwing of Flares should carry the same penalty as the discharge of a firearm, intent or not, they could cause serious injury. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: So why are flares not seen at English games with the same regularity that they are abroad? Is it that our security is better? Or, God forbid, that other nations fans aren't do squeaky clean either? Just a culture thing, I guess. You could sneak one of them in to any ground in the country if you wanted to. I don't even usually have my bag looked in when I go to Villa Park, maybe a third of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Flares at both polish games I've been to. Top division and 3rd division. Definitely a culture thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Chuck 'em out. Pulled loads of crap during quali too, e.g., swastika burned into the pitch prior to the Italy game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 At some stage they are going to have to kick a team out of this competition. The behaviour is getting more obscene by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Can you imagine the scene if a muslim(s) did this? Full terror alert and a parliamentary vote on who to bomb. Instead of "fans throw flares onto pitch in disgraceful scenes." --> "Terrorists throw explosives onto pitch; terror strikes at the European Championships." Edited June 17, 2016 by villakram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Scum... Terrible behavior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The "firework" was more like a mini bomb. That type of firework went off at a basketball game and a steward lost 4 fingers trying to remove it. The steward today was a second away from losing part or his whole hand. If he did not stop to point to his other stewards where the firework came from, he would have grabbed that firework before it exploded. I know this sucks for Croatia, but they have to be booted from this tournament. I'd say the same thing if it was a czech fan, english fan, or anyone else. That is a really dangerous explosive and showed people how easy it is to get dangerous items into stadiums. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Seems like he clearly has a broken wrist and clear damage to his left eye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Czechlad said: The "firework" was more like a mini bomb. That type of firework went off at a basketball game and a steward lost 4 fingers trying to remove it. The steward today was a second away from losing part or his whole hand. If he did not stop to point to his other stewards where the firework came from, he would have grabbed that firework before it exploded. I know this sucks for Croatia, but they have to be booted from this tournament. I'd say the same thing if it was a czech fan, english fan, or anyone else. That is a really dangerous explosive and showed people how easy it is to get dangerous items into stadiums. Kicking them out seems so unfair on the players and proper supporters when it's a few mindless idiots ruining things. They need to hunt down the people that threw them and give them prison sentences. Edited June 17, 2016 by Gary Thomas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, villakram said: Can you imagine the scene if a muslim(s) did this? Full terror alert and a parliamentary vote on who to bomb. Instead of "fans throw flares onto pitch in disgraceful scenes." --> "Terrorists throw explosives onto pitch; terror strikes at the European Championships." Think your stretching here, a considerable amount. They are being condemned from all angles as far as I can see, certainly being given no leniency due to their demographic. No denying there is sizeable amount of double standards and hypocrisy when it comes to that subject, from both sides, but this is by no means and example of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Also kicking out a team would play havoc with the third place qualification table as well. Does everyone just get a win against that team giving the team in third a big advantage, or does it become a three team group, putting the team in third spot at a disadvantage because they only get two games? They won't get kicked out. Maybe docking them points would be a way to go. 19 minutes ago, villakram said: Can you imagine the scene if a muslim(s) did this? Full terror alert and a parliamentary vote on who to bomb. Instead of "fans throw flares onto pitch in disgraceful scenes." --> "Terrorists throw explosives onto pitch; terror strikes at the European Championships." What's your point? Edited June 17, 2016 by YLN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Have to be kicked out for that - they've got previous, and have been warned and fined (I think). Violence in bars/streets is one thing (albeit unacceptable) and England and Russia have rightly been warned, but flares/explosives on the pitch whilst fighting in the stands is a whole new level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said: Kicking them out seems so unfair on the players and proper supporters; when it is a few mindless idiots ruining things. They need to hunt down the people that threw them and give them prison sentences. I definitely agree it's unfair and yea it's just a group of idiots who are actively trying to get Croatia in trouble, but the problem is this isn't a one time thing. There are quite a few of these hooligans who are trying to disrupt matches, so even if the idiots who did this today are caught, there could still be more next match. Players, fans, and employees should fear for their lives at a F*ing football match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 bye bye Croatia that was thrown on the pitch close to people who were clearly picking up debris, they need to be made an example of then somebody needs to have a quiet word with whoever is in charge of security and suggest they find a different career as of tomorrow morning without wishing to be a drama queen, long long ago I was in a ground and saw somebody hit by a flare, they died, this is not about final warnings and last chances 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 minute ago, YLN said: Also kicking out a team would play havoc with the third place qualification table as well. Does everyone just get a win against that team giving the team in third a big advantage, or does it become a three team group, putting the team in third spot at a disadvantage because they only get two games? They won't get kicked out. Maybe docking them points would be a way to go. What's your point? They'd just force the disqualified team to the bottom of the table I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 17, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2016 Croatia is the only nation I can think of where I've never met a nice person from there. Horrible stuff. Unfortunately it's going to be a fine and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: bye bye Croatia that was thrown on the pitch close to people who were clearly picking up debris, they need to be made an example of then somebody needs to have a quiet word with whoever is in charge of security and suggest they find a different career as of tomorrow morning without wishing to be a drama queen, long long ago I was in a ground and saw somebody hit by a flare, they died, this is not about final warnings and last chances Why don't they get army troops in doing some of the stadium security like checking bags, tickets, searches etc (Like London Olympics)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, YLN said: Also kicking out a team would play havoc with the third place qualification table as well. Does everyone just get a win against that team giving the team in third a big advantage, or does it become a three team group, putting the team in third spot at a disadvantage because they only get two games? They won't get kicked out. Maybe docking them points would be a way to go. What's your point? How should we treat this? I think it should be treated extremely seriously, but already you can hear the 99% of the fans are ok, a few bad apples etc. etc. etc. ... Croatia have significant recent history with this type of unacceptable behavior just like Russia. Do we keep giving one more time and you're out warnings? These countries need a push to enact the reforms that we had to do... or should we wait until life is lost again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted June 17, 2016 Administrator Share Posted June 17, 2016 11 minutes ago, YLN said: Also kicking out a team would play havoc with the third place qualification table as well. Does everyone just get a win against that team giving the team in third a big advantage, or does it become a three team group, putting the team in third spot at a disadvantage because they only get two games? They won't get kicked out. Maybe docking them points would be a way to go. Usual rules. Played fixtures stand, remaining fixtures would be a 3-0 defeat for the defaulting team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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