andycv Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 16 minutes ago, Hev said: Doesn't a planning permission remain valid for 5 years once granted? Also doesn't that mean that you only have to make a start within 5 years to keep it valid? It's not that we have withdrawn our application is it - or have we? We have to start development on the North Stand by 22 December 2025 if we are to keep the planning permission - so 20 months to break ground before permission expires (though I think you can apply to keep it going before it expires). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 18 hours ago, thabucks said: Well according to some on here there isn’t enough money to be made from having a state of the art multi purpose and fit for the 21st century stadium which can host multitude of events, oh and close to the city centre and with entertainment amenities surrounding it… i mean good luck to them I say… let’s stick to our awkward shaped site hemmed in by shitty houses with sub par spectator facilities and zero for fans to do before or after a game… Well after looking out of the train window on the way to the game on Saturday, and the state of most of the gardens I doubt they would even notice if we bulldozed their houses down 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 7 minutes ago, Talldarkandransome said: Well after looking out of the train window on the way to the game on Saturday, and the state of most of the gardens I doubt they would even notice if we bulldozed their houses down Its worth a try. "Marlon, didn't we used to have a garden?" "Why, yes, I think so dear. I fancy our house was 100 yards closer to Witton Lane too. How queer..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) 57 minutes ago, andycv said: We have to start development on the North Stand by 22 December 2025 if we are to keep the planning permission - so 20 months to break ground before permission expires (though I think you can apply to keep it going before it expires). To be ready for the euros any work needs to be completed 1 year before it starts which would be June 2027. The original plan was for it to take 2 years the latest this can start is summer 2025. Or we are talking into the next decade, which will make nearly it a 30 year wait from the original plans. If we are being optimistic the club could just be doing this the other way round of doing the small increase in capacity in the current stands before the big job. As the 2028 bid document bandied around a 52k capacity when the north stand job was only going to finish at 50k. Or that was just a number plucked from the air. But there has been no further details in the capacity uplift other than vague statements. If both are to be done before 2028 then really we need work to start this summer on the couple of thousand increase. But there has been no application or any details on this. As they haven't been clear in the communication to us we are just guessing at the moment. But on balance I am not hopeful at all. Edited April 10 by The Fun Factory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Which is why I think 95% of the stuff at the club right now is excellent but thr 5% that isn't is a major worry because it potentially is what will pinch us in the medium to long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) The communication is terrible at the moment. What is happening with Atairos ? Have the club/Premier League confirmed the investment? The Atairos website has removed the article that they are involved with V Sports/Aston Villa. Edited April 10 by Villa_Vids 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 I don't think Atairos ever had an article on their website regarding their investment in V Sports, it was just a link to the article on our website, which is still there. In fact they don't have any news articles on their website at all, all their news items are links to other websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 16 minutes ago, useless said: I don't think Atairos ever had an article on their website regarding their investment in V Sports, it was just a link to the article on our website, which is still there. In fact they don't have any news articles on their website at all, all their news items are links to other websites. They didn't have an article but they had it in the news and press release section which has now disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 26 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said: The communication is terrible at the moment. What is happening with Atairos ? Have the club/Premier League confirmed the investment? The Atairos website has removed the article that they are involved with V Sports/Aston Villa. The link to the press release doesn't show on Chrome for me but it appeared when I tried it on Firefox, so I assume it's just an issue with their website rather than anything foreboding. The Atairos thing is definitely the most interesting piece of the Villa Park redevelopment puzzle, though. The European Commission approved the deal back in February. I hope we get some light shed on what the plans are for the next steps for Villa Park, and whether it's something that Atairos will be getting involved in. Presumably any sort of news on that front will come in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycv Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 5 hours ago, Villa_Vids said: The communication is terrible at the moment. What is happening with Atairos ? Have the club/Premier League confirmed the investment? The Atairos website has removed the article that they are involved with V Sports/Aston Villa. https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/december/15/v-sports-announces-investment-from-atairos/ Quote V Sports S.C.S. (“V Sports”), a joint venture of Nassef Sawiris and Wesley Edens and the owner of Aston Villa FC Limited and Aston Villa Women’s Football Club Limited (together, “AVFC” or the “Club”), is pleased to announce that it has entered into an agreement with Atairos to become a partner in V Sports. V Sports will continue to own 100% of AVFC post-closing of the transaction and will continue to have full control of all decisions at AVFC. Still on the Villa site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 minute ago, andycv said: https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/december/15/v-sports-announces-investment-from-atairos/ Still on the Villa site So is the plan for rebuilding the North Stand. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Have the Premier League confirmed the deal? The atairos deal was a similar stake to Ratcliffe at Utd. Just a bit strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycv Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 8 minutes ago, brommy said: So is the plan for rebuilding the North Stand. True - which says something too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Just now, andycv said: True - which says something too. About the poor website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycv Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 minutes ago, brommy said: About the poor website? I don't know, but it says something! One to ask at the next Fan Advisory Board perhaps (about what's happening with the investment, not the poor website). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lochheads twin Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) I am not sure whether we will build a totally new stadium or to continue with a piecemeal redevelopment of the existing Villa Park site. Either way, we will need to work in very close partnership with Birmingham council. On previous stand replacements we seem to have been at loggerheads with the local authority and it has always resulted in a less than satisfactory outcome. ( much of this down to the ego of a previous chairman). if it is at Villa Park, we will need their cooperation with the compulsory purchase of adjacent properties / land. Hopefully the way forward will become clearer once we know our fate on ECL qualification and the removal of some of the short-term FFP pressure on our financial position. Edited April 11 by Lochheads twin Typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Amen to better comms. I have not been impressed with the way they have handled the handbrake turn on what we had planned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 11 Moderator Share Posted April 11 14 hours ago, Lochheads twin said: Either way, we will need to work in very close partnership with Birmingham council. I'm hoping we didn't damage that relationship too much following our decision to cancel the North Stand - the Mayor had made it a centrepiece of his plans to regenerate Aston, worked with us on getting the station redevelopment and plonked himself in the middle of what he'd see as a popular and useful development - us surprising everyone by dropping it will have left him with a little bit of egg on his face and hopefully we've done the right things in ensuring that's been smoothed away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 12 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm hoping we didn't damage that relationship too much following our decision to cancel the North Stand - the Mayor had made it a centrepiece of his plans to regenerate Aston, worked with us on getting the station redevelopment and plonked himself in the middle of what he'd see as a popular and useful development - us surprising everyone by dropping it will have left him with a little bit of egg on his face and hopefully we've done the right things in ensuring that's been smoothed away. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted April 11 Popular Post Share Posted April 11 20 hours ago, brommy said: So is the plan for rebuilding the North Stand. 20 hours ago, andycv said: True - which says something too. 20 hours ago, brommy said: About the poor website? What it 'says about' is the frankly shambolic communication from the club about important topics this season. They didn't communicate the hospitality changes well at all, and then they didn't communicate about the North Stand well either. The article about rebuilding the stand is still on the website, but did they ever put up an article saying we won't be doing it, or is it still the case - as it was for a long time - that the only 'announcement' re this was the CEO saying it in a video that tons of fans won't ever have seen? Certainly have never actually justified the decision in a plausible way. It's no surprise that we're all in the dark about these Atairos people but it's emblematic of a secretive and high-handed communication strategy that is needlessly alienating. Just have the difficult conversation with fans properly FFS. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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