Dr_Pangloss Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jareth said: The Samuelson stigma had no facts to back it up then, and less now. Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: This is a good point, but then what about Paul Samuleson's involvement, that for me was an enormous red flag that something wasn't quite right. It’s Chris not Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 5, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Sure. Go on then, let's see some proof of Samuelson's evilness - other than what some Everton or Reading fan said once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Eastie said: It’s Chris not Paul. LOL getting him confused with the economist of the same last name! Cheers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Czechlad said: It's a no win situation for Tony. Back a manager and we buy young talented players who don't get us promoted and we'd be whining we needed experience. Buy experienced vets, and we whine we needed fresh talent. No matter what he is in the wrong. He backed our club. Listened to his managers, and it didn't work. Small addition:- He also spent money the club or himself didn't have, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reivax_Villa Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) Simon Jordan was right wasn't he? I recon (See what i did) we are not going to see Xia back at this football club.. He might even sell this club and still own our training ground lol Edited June 5, 2018 by Reivax_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jareth said: Go on then, let's see some proof of Samuelson's evilness - other than what some Everton or Reading fan said once... Quote Former Reading FC director Chris Samuelson is understood to be part of the Chinese takeover at Aston Villa. Samuelson arrived at Madejski Stadium in 2012 and initially was the public face of Anton Zingarevich’s Thames Sport Investment company. Once TSI’s takeover was complete, Samuelson took up a position on the board at Reading, along with Andrew Obolensky. Both then left the board in June 2014 after Zingarevich had disappeared, leaving the club in the midst of a perilous financial crisis. Their departure came just days after getreading had revealed that Mutual Trust International Ltd (MTI), Samuelson and Obolensky’s Swiss-based company, had been vetting prospective buyers of the club on Madejski’s behalf. But they had been asking potential new owners to sign a written guarantee to keep both as directors. They were asked to enter into a consultancy agreement which would see MTI receive a monthly fee of £40,000 for an initial two-year period. https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chris-samuelson-former-reading-fc-11355076 sounds dodgy to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Jareth said: Go on then, let's see some proof of Samuelson's evilness - other than what some Everton or Reading fan said once... Samuelson has bee involved in FBI investigations into money laundering and fraud. His name sticks around shady Russian oligarchs and he is involved in tax avoidance in Switzerland. The guy is as bent as a nine bob note if you dig into him. Different companies, different countries over that last 30 odd years and that weasel's name always crops up in the background over some bent deal or accusation of wrong doing. If you don't think Samuelson evil then you are deluded. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/dublin-based-firm-is-named-in-fraud-conspiracy-claims-1.226007 TMC Trading International, an Irish-registered company based in Dublin which held exclusive foreign trading rights for Russian titanium and magnesium metals, is alleged to have been involved in a conspiracy to defraud the Russian metals producer, Avisma, of millions of dollars. TMC rejected the allegations made in an initial written claim before a US court and maintained that they had arisen out of a simple "mistake" by an office clerk at the Dublin office. The allegations revolve around transfer pricing - suggesting that Avisma was paid less than the market price for its titanium and was charged more for raw materials and services in order to reduce the apparent profits of the company which would have to be repatriated to Russia. Spokesman Mr Chris Samuelson, president of the Valmet Group (which brought Avisma and TMC together), insisted Avisma was paid the market rate for titanium and that TMC transferred all trading profits after fees and costs to Avisma. The allegations arose out of a lawsuit filed on August 19th in the US District Court for New Jersey. It is the first lawsuit to be brought under the US racketeering statutes alleging that a Russian company had been looted of its trading profits through a conspiracy between management and shareholders. Edited June 5, 2018 by KHV 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 5, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, Zatman said: https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chris-samuelson-former-reading-fc-11355076 sounds dodgy to me If you looked into that properly Samuelson was doing his day job as a financier and offering Reading finance in exchange for control - fans hated it rightly but the board and owner were squarely to blame - it would have been some other money fixer if it wasn't samuelson. oddly enough, he appears again later in the sale of Villa, once more as a financier. He's a financier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 5, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, KHV said: Samuelson has bee involved in FBI investigations into money laundering and fraud. His name sticks around shady Russian oligarchs and he is involved in tax avoidance in Switzerland. The guy is as bent as a nine bob note if you dig into him. Different companies, different countries over that last 30 odd years and that weasel's name always crops up in the background over some bent deal or accusation of wrong doing. If you don't think Samuelson evil then you are deluded. Has he been convicted? He may bend the rules on money but possibly by this standard the UK government are of equal standing. Besides - short of Tony pulling his skin off and revealing Chris (or is it Martin?) Samuelson's face, I am not sure Samuelson has much to do with Villa, since it changed hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 http://www.iskran.ru/review/september/times.html You can file him in with Abramovich in dodgy as **** too The Times (London) Yeltsin 'family' tycoon linked to cash scandal From James Bone In New York, David Lister And Fiona Fleck In Geneva THE first link has emerged between the Bank of New York money-laundering scandal and a member of President Yeltsin's "family", a mysterious businessman known as a kingmaker in the Kremlin. The Times has learnt that Roman Abramovich, a tycoon, controls the trading arm of one of Russia's largest oil companies through an Isle of Man company that has figured in the Bank of New York affair. Mr Abramovich runs the Siberian oil giant Sibneft, which sells its oil through a company called Runicom. His name has emerged after speculation that Swiss investigators are looking into the role of Runicom as part of the widening investigation into the laundering of up to $15 billion of Russian money through American banks. Runicom is owned by at least two offshore companies set up by the Valmet Group, a financial services concern partly owned by Menatep, a failed Russian bank that used the Bank of New York. Menatep's former deputy chairman, Konstantin Kagalovsky, is the husband of the Bank of New York's senior vice-president, Natasha Gurfinkel, who has been placed on paid leave pending the outcome of an investigation of suspected money-laundering through her department. Menatep and Valmet have been named in a separate lawsuit in America in connection with an alleged "tolling" system to divert profits from a Russian titanium producer. Under such schemes, raw materials are sold to an offshore company for below-market prices, which then sells the minerals on at market prices, and pockets the difference. In that case, Valmet is said to have helped to channel diverted profits through a number of companies with accounts at Barclays Bank on the Isle of Man. A director of Valmet denied that the company was involved in money-laundering, and Barclays said it was complying with court orders. Runicom operates as Sibneft's trading arm and is known to handle large deals including the selling of crude oil to refineries and bartering of oil products for other goods. The link to Mr Abramovich emerges from corporate records in Gibraltar which show that Runicom, the oil trading concern, is owned by companies set up by Valmet. Fifty per cent of Runicom is owned by Valmet Nominees, an Isle of Man-registered company, and the other half is owned by Finsbury Nominees, also a Valmet company. At about the same time as the Gibraltar company was established in 1996, Runicom also set up a subsidiary in Switzerland, taking advice from Valmet and using the group's Geneva address as its registered office, an arrangement that has since ceased. Christopher Samuelson, president of Valmet Group, yesterday refused to disclose the beneficial owners of Valmet Nominees and Finsbury Nominees. "All I can tell you is that Valmet itself does not own anything in Runicom," he said. "I couldn't release any information at all without the client's permission." The Times has confirmed that the man behind Runicom's owners, Valmet Nominees and Finsbury Nominees, is Mr Abramovich. Daniel Devaud, an investigating magistrate in Geneva who has been examining allegations of kickbacks paid to Kremlin officials by a company called Mabetex, said yesterday that he could not rule out a new investigation related to the Bank of New York scandal. A Swiss news weekly, L'Hebdo, reported this week that Geneva's chief prosecutor, Bernand Bertossa, had opened a new investigation last month into a company at the heart of the Bank of New York affair, but refused to identify it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Plenty of overreacting on here today, as per usual. Maybe we should just wait until all the facts come out, before we start crucifying the good Dr... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Jareth said: Has he been convicted? He may bend the rules on money but possibly by this standard the UK government are of equal standing. Besides - short of Tony pulling his skin off and revealing Chris (or is it Martin?) Samuelson's face, I am not sure Samuelson has much to do with Villa, since it changed hands. The fact that he was involved at all sets the alarm bells ringing. Nothing that man has his hands in is entirely legit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, vreitti said: Plenty of overreacting on here today, as per usual. Maybe we should just wait until all the facts come out, before we start crucifying the good Dr... Can we still crucify Wyness? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 5, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, vreitti said: Plenty of overreacting on here today, as per usual. Maybe we should just wait until all the facts come out, before we start crucifying the good Dr... That would be boring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, KHV said: http://www.iskran.ru/review/september/times.html You can file him in with Abramovich in dodgy as **** too The Times (London) Yeltsin 'family' tycoon linked to cash scandal From James Bone In New York, David Lister And Fiona Fleck In Geneva THE first link has emerged between the Bank of New York money-laundering scandal and a member of President Yeltsin's "family", a mysterious businessman known as a kingmaker in the Kremlin. The Times has learnt that Roman Abramovich, a tycoon, controls the trading arm of one of Russia's largest oil companies through an Isle of Man company that has figured in the Bank of New York affair. Mr Abramovich runs the Siberian oil giant Sibneft, which sells its oil through a company called Runicom. His name has emerged after speculation that Swiss investigators are looking into the role of Runicom as part of the widening investigation into the laundering of up to $15 billion of Russian money through American banks. Runicom is owned by at least two offshore companies set up by the Valmet Group, a financial services concern partly owned by Menatep, a failed Russian bank that used the Bank of New York. Menatep's former deputy chairman, Konstantin Kagalovsky, is the husband of the Bank of New York's senior vice-president, Natasha Gurfinkel, who has been placed on paid leave pending the outcome of an investigation of suspected money-laundering through her department. Menatep and Valmet have been named in a separate lawsuit in America in connection with an alleged "tolling" system to divert profits from a Russian titanium producer. Under such schemes, raw materials are sold to an offshore company for below-market prices, which then sells the minerals on at market prices, and pockets the difference. In that case, Valmet is said to have helped to channel diverted profits through a number of companies with accounts at Barclays Bank on the Isle of Man. A director of Valmet denied that the company was involved in money-laundering, and Barclays said it was complying with court orders. Runicom operates as Sibneft's trading arm and is known to handle large deals including the selling of crude oil to refineries and bartering of oil products for other goods. The link to Mr Abramovich emerges from corporate records in Gibraltar which show that Runicom, the oil trading concern, is owned by companies set up by Valmet. Fifty per cent of Runicom is owned by Valmet Nominees, an Isle of Man-registered company, and the other half is owned by Finsbury Nominees, also a Valmet company. At about the same time as the Gibraltar company was established in 1996, Runicom also set up a subsidiary in Switzerland, taking advice from Valmet and using the group's Geneva address as its registered office, an arrangement that has since ceased. Christopher Samuelson, president of Valmet Group, yesterday refused to disclose the beneficial owners of Valmet Nominees and Finsbury Nominees. "All I can tell you is that Valmet itself does not own anything in Runicom," he said. "I couldn't release any information at all without the client's permission." The Times has confirmed that the man behind Runicom's owners, Valmet Nominees and Finsbury Nominees, is Mr Abramovich. Daniel Devaud, an investigating magistrate in Geneva who has been examining allegations of kickbacks paid to Kremlin officials by a company called Mabetex, said yesterday that he could not rule out a new investigation related to the Bank of New York scandal. A Swiss news weekly, L'Hebdo, reported this week that Geneva's chief prosecutor, Bernand Bertossa, had opened a new investigation last month into a company at the heart of the Bank of New York affair, but refused to identify it. I’d love for an Ambramovich to come save us right now. Flying in his helecopter looking for baggies but accidentally landing at Villa Park instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, Vive_La_Villa said: Can we still crucify Wyness? Yeah why not, never liked him tbh, also he's responsible for Bruce, and the turgid football we've had to endure these last 18 months. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said: I said at the time, I suspected that wasn’t a paid sponsorship deal but instead a transfer of non monetary related resources. Recon got marketing/brand enhancement benefits and in return the club gets technological improvements and access to specialist knowledge. This deal added to my suspicion that the entire purchase was done for the benefit of Recon. Aston Villa football club was merely being used as a giant advertising board for a company in China with the world wide exposure enjoyed by the Premier League being the main goal. Well possibly so, but this can hardly be very good publicity at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Look at the doctors face. He is genuine and will do his best to sort this mess out. It’s all about a persons face. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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