Popular Post Grasshopper Posted May 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2017 Towards the end of RLs reign we were, as a football club, at the lowest point possible. Everything was wrong. The Bank had closed and once the juice had dried there was nothing to drive us forward. We have found a new Bank, DrT. But if our monetary system, board & management (Wyness, Round & Bruce), fails us the same consequences as during the RL plug-pull years will reoccur. This has always been my biggest fear. The appointments of the board & management have to be right. We had very little margin for error. Treading water and then going forward was/is the only way we have a chance of making the most of Tony's Bank. RDM took us backwards with his 11/12 games Bruce treaded water for his first games (an achievement in itself) but sent us backwards again in Jan/Feb. DrT has to step in now because our start to next season is the catalyst for how the season goes. Regardless of what gets spent till Sept 1st. DrT has to, even just for his own sake, be 100% sure that everything is in place for a successful promotion winning season. He shouldnt have to be contemplating "we'll see after a pre-season and 10 games if a change of manager is needed" It should be 1) finances at the ready 2) CEO has everything under control with commercial growth assured with success 3) player recruitment, organisation, coaching and style implementation by DoF (title?) manager & coaches should already be settled and fine-tuned from the off. Of the above, I see DrT's "financial commitment" as being the only thing anywhere near ticking a box. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I agree with much of that GH. Additionally, whilst I am half in bed with the notion of 'give Bruce a bit more time,' I do think it would be churlish if the Club were not looking at other potential suitors to the managerial post. We can't afford to push the button (if needed) and then scratch around for 'who is interested right now.' Easier said than done of course, but I think the Club is facing a make or break season. They can't afford to have any bases uncovered, or at least significantly thought about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 What DrT has to decide, if it is his decision, would a potential manager prefer to come in to a "no margin for error" situation after 5/10/15 (or whatever) games or Pre-season from the off ? If there is any element of doubt about the managerial position and his finger is on the trigger ready to pull, then whats the point of him waiting anyway? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pacbuddies Posted May 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2017 4 hours ago, hippo said: So if we invested another £60 on players this summer - you feel our chances would diminish ? £60! We don't want any SHA cast offs. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Grasshopper said: What DrT has to decide, if it is his decision, would a potential manager prefer to come in to a "no margin for error" situation after 5/10/15 (or whatever) games or Pre-season from the off ? If there is any element of doubt about the managerial position and his finger is on the trigger ready to pull, then whats the point of him waiting anyway? There will always be an element of doubt, no matter who the manage. Ron Saunders had plenty of doubters, Ellis probably would have sacked him in 1979 had he won his boardroom battle. I have my doubts, but for me there isn't a standout candidate we could reasonably hope to get. I actually think we should be a bit nasty and stick with Bruce until a significantly better candidate appears. Sack him now, who we going to get ? - the bloke relegated middlesbrough ? Dean Smith of Mighty Walsall and Brentford fame ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, hippo said: There will always be an element of doubt, no matter who the manage. Ron Saunders had plenty of doubters, Ellis probably would have sacked him in 1979 had he won his boardroom battle. I have my doubts, but for me there isn't a standout candidate we could reasonably hope to get. I actually think we should be a bit nasty and stick with Bruce until a significantly better candidate appears. Sack him now, who we going to get ? - the bloke relegated middlesbrough ? Dean Smith of Mighty Walsall and Brentford fame ? You mean the same Dean Smith that tactically outsmarted SB in our match this winter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, hippo said: There will always be an element of doubt, no matter who the manage. Ron Saunders had plenty of doubters, Ellis probably would have sacked him in 1979 had he won his boardroom battle. I have my doubts, but for me there isn't a standout candidate we could reasonably hope to get. I actually think we should be a bit nasty and stick with Bruce until a significantly better candidate appears. Sack him now, who we going to get ? - the bloke relegated middlesbrough ? Dean Smith of Mighty Walsall and Brentford fame ? Fulham manager Jokovic (?) Hull manager Silva ShefW/Hudds managers when Reading win the playoffs Soton's Puell if silva goes there If DrT really is ambitious he could go for Dyche or even Howe (Bournemouth) after all they will only be repeating their achievements year on year till the bubble bursts, failure will not get them a PL job again, but they could achieve more at Villa with DrT's backing, what are they waiting for, the ManU/C/Spuds/Ars/Ski/Pool jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: Fulham manager Jokovic (?) Hull manager Silva ShefW/Hudds managers when Reading win the playoffs Soton's Puell if silva goes there If DrT really is ambitious he could go for Dyche or even Howe (Bournemouth) after all they will only be repeating their achievements year on year till the bubble bursts, failure will not get them a PL job again, but they could achieve more at Villa with DrT's backing, what are they waiting for, the ManU/C/Spuds/Ars/Ski/Pool jobs? How many of those are gettable ? I wouldn't really see Carvalho and Wagner as much of an upgrade the others right now - pretty much none of them are available. I have a sneaky feeling Dyche won't be at Burnley an awful lot longer if they start to struggle next season - he seems to have hit a ceiling there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, hippo said: How many of those are gettable ? I wouldn't really see Carvalho and Wagner as much of an upgrade the others right now - pretty much none of them are available. I have a sneaky feeling Dyche won't be at Burnley an awful lot longer if they start to struggle next season - he seems to have hit a ceiling there... No question of doubt ALL of them IF DrT is as ambitious now as he was when he first stated his aims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: No question of doubt ALL of them IF DrT is as ambitious now as he was when he first stated his aims Hmmmmmm Luring a manager from the prem to championship is big ask no matter what your ambitions. But we are where we are - how many of those managers listed could we appoint by say, Mid June ? - imo none. Edited May 17, 2017 by hippo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 17 hours ago, villarocker said: Maybe Dr Tony is cautious about the qualities of Bruce and doesn't want to give him any more money in case he has to sack him after a few games. I would think many factors come in to play to make him think twice. However, If every time we bought a player we made significant profits, when we sold them.....I suspect Dr Tone would be stuffing notes in to their hands. In the last 10 years our record has been Iffy IMO.....so you can understand, caution being used. conversely, I would think Levy & Lewis have been very happy in recent times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 5 hours ago, Grasshopper said: What DrT has to decide, if it is his decision, would a potential manager prefer to come in to a "no margin for error" situation after 5/10/15 (or whatever) games or Pre-season from the off ? If there is any element of doubt about the managerial position and his finger is on the trigger ready to pull, then whats the point of him waiting anyway? I understand your point GH, but there are very few low pressure jobs, such is the financial rewards at stake.....they are all mainly " no margin for error" and very few jobs come up, unless there is a crisis of some sort. We have been on that carousel, much too often....I know its hackneyed for us.....but we need stability for a while. Equally, there are also very few managerial jobs that are not in doubt, such is the nature of the beast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 3 hours ago, srsmithusa said: You mean the same Dean Smith that tactically outsmarted SB in our match this winter? do you mean the same SB that tactically out smarted Chris Hughton to deny him the league title.....Oh I know who you mean 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) Tactically outsmarted Hughton? Brighton were winning for 85+ minutes and we were well on course to lose it till there keeper made a complete howler. Bruce certainly is a Tactical Genius I hope Xia makes the correct decision in the summer, our financial future depends on it. Edited May 17, 2017 by AshVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 20 hours ago, villarocker said: Maybe Dr Tony is cautious about the qualities of Bruce and doesn't want to give him any more money in case he has to sack him after a few games. If there is doubt he must sack him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Guys, it's not the Bruce thread, and Tony has no doubt about Bruce. You lot are gonna be very down when this season starts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Seriously, if Tony Xia is planning to give Bruce no money this summer because he doesn't trust him, and then sack him after 10 matches if he doesn't get satisfactory results, he will prove to be a more useless owner than Lerner. That would leave us in utter chaos. It would be a massive self-inflicted wound. Fortunately, this is all a fantasy. If Xia doesn't trust Bruce as manager he will sack him now. Otherwise, he will give him a season. Anything else would be disastrous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 5 hours ago, TRO said: We have been on that carousel, much too often....I know its hackneyed for us.....but we need stability for a while. Tro you always say Time, Difficult job, pre-season....etc So I say to you in reply DrT - Bruce - Trigger - Pull - Wagner (for example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 On 16/05/2017 at 15:46, Wezbid said: I don't understand the big fuss on not spending huge. How much have other teams in the play-offs and Brighton spent? It's more about getting good value for money and getting the team to play together. The likes of Bree and Hourihane are more like it. I think some are still expecting Premiership type investment which is just ludicrous. The fact we spent loads is probably related to the fact that we didn't have a viable team to start with. The rest of them have built their teams over time, ergo you spend less to make the final big jump. I hope we spend wisely this summer on a few additions as we take our 'final jump'. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 7 hours ago, Grasshopper said: Tro you always say Time, Difficult job, pre-season....etc So I say to you in reply DrT - Bruce - Trigger - Pull - Wagner (for example) Wagner has the same kind of start he had at Huddersfield and we are bottom half 10 games in, then what?! Start of vicious circle again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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