Genie Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Brexit could still yet be a really positive thing. As it stands I can’t see how it can be. We need some proper trade deals, or softening of red tape with the EU then I agree it could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Brexit could still yet be a really positive thing. Not if you enjoyed your freedom of movement and nice rivers etc. Besides that it could be good but it could be really shit too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Genie said: As it stands I can’t see how it can be. We need some proper trade deals, or softening of red tape with the EU then I agree it could be. I guess it’s the definition of positive. No amount of rolling back workers’ rights will be positive. I have no interest in going back to pre decimal coinage, weights, and measures. So I’m not sure this particular government are going to be able to find the positive. Unless I go down my usual path and take a few years of corruption excused by the likes of Rees Mogg as possibly breaking the whole thing up and finally allowing England its independence. But at some point we might just be forced to find that sweet spot of having access to markets and a USP. This current shower are unlikely to be the ones to find it - although their luck to date, perhaps I shouldn’t pre judge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Rolta said: Not if you enjoyed your freedom of movement and nice rivers etc. Besides that it could be good but it could be really shit too. Scotland can enjoy their freedom of movement, Ireland can be unified and England will be free to shit in its own rivers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/09/arron-banks-russia-brexit-meeting Quote Arron Banks, the millionaire businessman who bankrolled Nigel Farage’s campaign to quit the EU, had multiple meetings with Russian embassy officials in the run-up to the Brexit referendum, documents seen by the Observer suggest. Banks, who gave £12m of services to the campaign, becoming the biggest donor in UK history, has repeatedly denied any involvement with Russian officials, or that Russian money played any part in the Brexit campaign. The Observer has seen documents which a senior Tory MP says, if correct, raise urgent and troubling questions about his relationship with the Russian government. Link to Guardian, which says Arron Banks was repeatedly invited to meetings with Russian Ambassador. And the Russian Ambassador introduced him to businessmen based in Moscow. It’s really nice of Russia to help out ordinary British citizens like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Looks like they got the tone just right then. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 16, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 16, 2022 'Festival of Giving Our Mates Tax Payers Money' doesn't slip off the tongue as well so you can't blame them for cobbling together some rubbish to justify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 17, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2022 Sounds like P&O ferries are about to announce they're going to sack all of their British ferry operatives because they're so expensive to employ and replace them with cheaper foreign labour. I expect now we're in charge of our own policy the Government will step in and say they can't do that safeguarding all of those British jobs........Won't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, sidcow said: Sounds like P&O ferries are about to announce they're going to sack all of their British ferry operatives because they're so expensive to employ and replace them with cheaper foreign labour. I expect now we're in charge of our own policy the Government will step in and say they can't do that safeguarding all of those British jobs........Won't they? You nailed it, our days of being bullied are over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I'd be wary of laying this at the door of that at this stage. I imagine their terms of employment will in the jurisdiction of where the ships are registered, and I'd then wager that P&O have registered them somewhere with even more lax workers rights than here. Happy to be corrected on both points though. The video to staff is pretty blunt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 17, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I'd be wary of laying this at the door of that at this stage. I imagine their terms of employment will in the jurisdiction of where the ships are registered, and I'd then wager that P&O have registered them somewhere with even more lax workers rights than here. Happy to be corrected on both points though. The video to staff is pretty blunt. Well that should kill the company in this country if anyone has any principles whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 What a shoddy way to treat your staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted March 17, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2022 Those poor workers being told like that. "Your final day of employment is today". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 17, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2022 45 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I'd be wary of laying this at the door of that at this stage. I imagine their terms of employment will in the jurisdiction of where the ships are registered, and I'd then wager that P&O have registered them somewhere with even more lax workers rights than here. Happy to be corrected on both points though. The video to staff is pretty blunt. I'm not saying this happened BECAUSE of Brexit, I'm saying that Brexit should enable us to save those jobs. We're our own sovereign nation now, we can do whatever we want, we can tell them they can't sail from our ports anymore unless they reinstate the UK staff effectively finishing their business. We could then offer to buy the ships off them and start a nationalised Ferry service. I know none of this is going to happen but it's the kind of thing that man in the pub pontificating about Brexit would have said is the kind of thing we could do after Brexit. Has Farage commented on this yet? I'm sure he'll have some nonsense to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, sidcow said: I'm not saying this happened BECAUSE of Brexit, I'm saying that Brexit should enable us to save those jobs. We're our own sovereign nation now, we can do whatever we want, we can tell them they can't sail from our ports anymore unless they reinstate the UK staff effectively finishing their business. We could then offer to buy the ships off them and start a nationalised Ferry service. I know none of this is going to happen but it's the kind of thing that man in the pub pontificating about Brexit would have said is the kind of thing we could do after Brexit. Has Farage commented on this yet? I'm sure he'll have some nonsense to say. Well he can't use RT anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, sidcow said: I'm not saying this happened BECAUSE of Brexit, I'm saying that Brexit should enable us to save those jobs. Then again, apparently it's only the British staff who are out. Twitter (caveat emptor) suggests that P&O's staff in France are not impacted by the announcement. So maybe there is something particular about British staff that is different after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 17, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Then again, apparently it's only the British staff who are out. Twitter (caveat emptor) suggests that P&O's staff in France are not impacted by the announcement. So maybe there is something particular about British staff that is different after all. Hmm. BBC were saying British and French. It's OK though, Grant Shapps is "concerned" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 17, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Well he can't use RT anymore. He doesn't need RT, he's on (K)GB News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, sidcow said: Hmm. BBC were saying British and French. It's OK though, Grant Shapps is "concerned" A quick glance at a few French titles, they're reporting that the French staff are fine. I'd still guess it's more to do with French labour laws being heavily-weighted towards the employee than anything Brexity though. Edit - on your second point, presumably this can't have been done without the "concerned" Government's prior knowledge? Reports say that there were coachloads of waiting Colombian workers waiting on the docks to get the ferries sailing again. They can't be there without visas, work permits and of course the skills and salary level that the Government now insist are crucial to be able to work in the UK. So - how are they there and ready to start sailing without some sort of previous Home Office / Department of Transport knowledge and agreement? Edited March 17, 2022 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 17, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: presumably this can't have been done without the "concerned" Government's prior knowledge? That’s what I wondered. HR1 and all that. The headline I saw said they’d been sacked, rather than made redundant, so maybe that’s how they got round the HR1 thing? Obviously the employees have a legal case if it’s right that they were sacked. With redundancy as I understand it, compo is necessary and there is law around it. With (unfair) dismissal the employees have to through the extra pain of seeking redress. Whatever. P&O management/ owners are words removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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