darrenm Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 The ever brilliant Simon Wren-Lewis here with a piece which I think shows that there's a good possibility the UK will back down on LPF and fisheries https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2020/12/if-uk-government-fails-to-do-deal-over.html Quote The mistake I think comes from the idea that to avoid this outcome, the UK would have to follow EU standards (using standards in a wide sense to include any government action that influences competition). But to say that is about UK sovereignty seems to me to be a perversion of the concept. National sovereignty is about a nation being able to make decisions itself. The EU is not stopping us making decisions, it is just saying there will be consequences. If you want to avoid those consequences, you need to avoid making those decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2020 Guys, I know we've utterly failed to influence these discussions by trying to go around the EU itself to the members for 4 years, but, listen, but... It'll work this time! Right?! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 11, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted December 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, darrenm said: The ever brilliant Simon Wren-Lewis here with a piece which I think shows that there's a good possibility the UK will back down on LPF and fisheries https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2020/12/if-uk-government-fails-to-do-deal-over.html He's right about the LPF - that's not about national sovereignty, it's about rules for stuff sold in a particular market - the market itself sets its rules, whether that's one nation or one block. If the UK wants to set rules for stuff for the UK market, it can. We could lower or raise the bar, and sellers would have to adjust accordingly. I think fishing is a bit different - individual (non-EU) nations all control their own waters, deciding themselves who and how much to allow into their waters. That is sovereignty, and any deal needs to essentially smooth the transition from "pooled" access agreed across the EU under the CFP to the UK deciding who can fish here. But that ought to be relatively easily done. Both sides won't get everything they want, but over time our sovereignty will be fully restored. I guess the thing is that the throbbers and others want, with the LPF to be able to dramatically reduce our standards for food and agri and so on, to make us like a low regulation, market driven economy - directly competing with the EU by not having health and Safety, Enviro or workers protections. Johnson likes that idea, hence all the fuss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) Now that the pesky red tape is almost out of the way, let's get down to business. Edited December 11, 2020 by Davkaus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Now that the pesky red tape is almost out of the way, let's get down to business. Surely not?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chindie said: Surely not?! Oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh So being “controlled” by the EU was actually a good thing all along. If only it was raised at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 All this, and carrying the billionaires' tax burden too. After the Covid spend as well. Ouch. Bravo, Brexit, Bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snowychap Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 On the deal (WA) v deal (future FTA) discussion, the excerpt in the Sky News clip commented on by Lewis Goodall is perhaps slightly clearer and, amazingly, a little bit closer to the truth than Johnson would have wanted to get (even allowing for the attempted conflations and the 'guarantees'): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 It seems more and more likely “we” are asking for things that would never ever be accepted by the EU. It would be suicide for the EU to accept our terms. = no deal was the plan all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2020 That was the plan. Either we get an impossible deal, or we leave with no deal. That was clear last year. It was arguably clear long before that. It's exactly what a bunch of scumbags wanted. And millions of idiots gave it to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 2 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Right on cue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Damn right. it is both a victory for British Independence, as well a pending disaster that we need to prepare for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted December 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Right on cue She did take his call. She just took it Australian-style. Edited December 11, 2020 by ml1dch 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Right on cue Spitting distance of gaslighting. No, be angry at the baddies, not that your representatives are trying to get around the procedures. words removed, words removed to a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 His next, foaming at the mouth tweet was better 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2020 Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) Cameron quit when he “failed” with his remain campaign. Will Boris quit after failing to secure any deal, with anyone, after saying not only that he would but they’d be great and easy? I just can’t see how that useless lump of lard is allowed to just plunder on like nothing happening when he has personally led the country up shit creak and sold the oars. Edited December 11, 2020 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Conservatives go 24 hours without mentioning the war challenge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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