Wainy316 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, mikeyjavfc said: If you think about the club has tended to flip flop under Lerner from resolutely following a long term plan as it increasingly damages the club (MoN's free reign, Lamberts slide into the abyss) followed by a period of mindless reactive decisions which inflict their own brand of damage (McLeash, Sherwood). I have a feeling Garde is the long-term variety. That's not a long term plan - that's stubbornly sticking by a decision until it becomes obvious to even the most blind that it isn't working any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 8 minutes ago, R.Bear said: Am I the only one who does not see a single difference between this team and Sherwood's Villa? Its hard to tell what, if anything, he does. Apart from the Norwich match, which to be fair to him had some mitigation with the two games in three days, I think his selections generally make sense, unlike Sherwood for the weeks after the Leicester surrender. I still go back to him ripping apart the team despite it being his cock up with the subs as putting us in a downward spiral it's been incredibly difficult to get out of. Whether another manager could do better than Remi is possible, if not probable, but he is here to stay, so I hope he can do some decent work in the window and get some confidence going into the summer before trying to get us back up. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: The best I can feel towards Garde is that I don't think there is a manager out there who could do significantly better with this lot. The question for me now is will he the right man to bring us back up. I honestly don't know, but my gut feeling is no but I'm happy for him to be given the chance. I hope I'm wrong. It's tough. Normally I'd give him until after January to see if he can make any changes to the squad that improve the results, but I doubt we'll buy anyone now. His first 8 games have been shambolic, and I think he's **** because of it. The club will back him until next season, as that was the plan all along, IMO, but he's not going to keep the fans on side for long with these results, even if it's mostly not his fault. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Sherwood 4 pts from 10 games Garde 4 pts from 9 games. So improvement is minimal at best and the performances in the last two games against fellow relegation strugglers suggests we are getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 He comes across as an intelligent, lovely , charming man unfortnately he is useless for us in our position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 The team selection was correct, as the start of the match proved. For the first half an hour or so we were rightly on top, dictating play. Then, after that, it's down to the players. Let Remi create his own team before we judge him. You've got to remember he's trying to clear up someone else's mess. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 He played the exact starting line up we all asked for. He made the substitutions we all wanted and we looked a threat during large periods. The blame isn't Garde's. People should stop looking for a quick easy point of blame and just wake up to the fact that the players aren't good enough for this league. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Losing, by two goals, to that Sunderland team...that is a double-unforgivable. Not really seeing what we've gained under this manager, and to think we turn our noses at Allardyce in our situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 White Fag Man… Again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Tried something new today with Gil and Grealish, it didn't work either. He hasn't had any significant impact since coming here although it is a relief not having to see Lambert or Sherwood. Hardly any manager in the world could help us now, our squad is just to talentless. It's far worse than I thought it would be, and I had a hunch we'd be struggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 The odd thing about our squad is that I still think individually many of them are better than results suggest. However, there's something about them as a team which is deeply rotten. Maybe there really is a dressing room divide? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 2, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2016 Anybody remember watching the film Speed? When Keanu Reeves took the wheel of that bus nobody had a go at him for not taking the passengers for a little drive round the safari park. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Mantis said: Why does everything have to be either extreme? We have improved but only very slightly and certainly not nearly enough to even come close to staying up. I don't see anyone saying that things were better under Sherwood. Some think things are slightly better under Garde. Others don't. There aren't any extremes If we say the things that matter in football - points on the board, goals scored, goals conceded then there has been zero improvement. I can't be asked to drill down into it but from what I have seen with my own eyes I also don't think we create more chances. Now some may want to argue we play better football, we keep the ball better etc. For what it is worth I don't think we do but either way it's not what was needed though is it. We needed effective football. We needed to play football that would get us points on the board. You can argue the squad is poor but I didn't see many who were calling for the previous managers head saying that, including me. It was all about this being a decent squad that just needed a good manager to get the best out of them. Now as results haven't improved this has gone to this being a poor squad with the manager given some slack. Why though? is this because Garde is rated as being a better Premier League manager than Sherwood. If it is then it is based on zero foundations. I've said it before that Remi may have been a good choice had we have been sitting around mid table. For where we were when he arrived though I can't put any argument together based on what I have seen to suggest he was anything other than the wrong choice. Even if we accept this is a poor squad it is no worse than Norwich or Sunderlands who have both beaten us in the last two games despite us having the greater need. Edited January 2, 2016 by markavfc40 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: I don't see anyone saying that things were better under Sherwood. Some think things are slightly better under Garde. Others don't. There aren't any extremes If we say the things that matter in football - points on the board, goals scored, goals conceded then there has been zero improvement. I can't be asked to drill down into it but from what I have seen with my own eyes I also don't think we create more chances. Now some may want to argue we play better football, we keep the ball better etc. For what it is worth I don't think we do but either way it's not what was needed though is it. We needed effective football. We needed to play football that would get us points on the board. You can argue the squad is poor but I didn't see many who were calling for the previous managers head saying that, including me. It was all about this being a decent squad that just needed a good manager to get the best out of them. Now as results haven't improved this has gone to this being a poor squad. Why though? is this because Garde is rated as being a better Premier League manager than Sherwood. If it is then it is based on zero foundations. I've said it before that Remi may have been a good choice had we have been sitting around mid table. For where we were when he arrived though I can't put any argument together based on what I have seen to suggest he was anything other than the wrong choice. Even if we accept this is a poor squad it is no worse than Norwich or Sunderlands who have both beaten us in the last two games despite us having the greater need. well said Mark, You have stolen my thoughts. I would not blame Remi Garde for this, would you?.....but is Remi Garde the right choice of manager for us? Two completely different questions that raise different debates. I really don't know the answer, but it does seem we are going to get worse, before we get better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mantis said: The odd thing about our squad is that I still think individually many of them are better than results suggest. However, there's something about them as a team which is deeply rotten. Maybe there really is a dressing room divide? Probably not a divide, rather it's just a case of not signing the right characters. We have some players who are good technically, but they lack the intangibles, such as desire, consistency and leadership. I also think we have too many players who aren't up to the physical side of this league. Edited January 2, 2016 by Dr_Pangloss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 36 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Spot on. I think the suggestion that we have improved at all is utterly delusional thinking. I think Zatman made the comparison with Alain Perrin and it's a pretty good one. More like Reginald Perrin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaizend Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Follow BTSport@SportBTHD BREAKING: Remi Garde fails to brief media after Sunderland game. Unconfirmed reports of a confrontation in the dressing room. #AVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr_Pangloss Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 If that confrontation involves Garde lining some of them up and chinning them, then I'd be prepared to give Garde a bit of a break 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Micah probably thrown his toys out the pram again Garde told him he won't be playing CB next game 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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