markavfc40 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Listening to her speech earlier she didn't give any reasons as to why she is the best leader, what she brings to the table etc it was all about the consequences of not voting for her. The fact that a new leader wouldn’t be in place by the 21 January legal deadline, so a leadership election risks handing control of the Brexit negotiations to opposition MPs in parliament, that we wouldn't be able to meet the March 29th deadline to leave the EU so would have to delay or abandon it. That not voting for her tonight risks Corbyn and McDonnell. Now the money people behind the Tories have apparently sent a letter to MP's stating that they are risking Corbyn by ousting May. That now popular phrase project fear springs to mind. What a way for a Prime Minister to be running a country with absolutely zilch in terms of positives to offer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, choffer said: Just when you think they can't outdo themselves. Remember when they reappointed Rosemary Carroll, who compared an Asian to a dog, so that they could take control of Pendle council? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Sky reckon may has 171 public shows of confidence of course they are Tory's so that could equate to her receiving 27 actual votes , but she seems to be safe in terms of votes guess it comes down , how much of a win is big enough , various MP's on Radio 5 were playing even a win by 1 vote is a win and good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Imagine being so desperate to hold on to power that you prematurely end the suspension of an alleged sex offender. That should finish May off on its own. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted December 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2018 6 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Spoiled children. And some people think this bunch of jokers can lead us to a better outcome? Absolutely laughable. Personally, I'm astonished that these people just blundered into something, thinking that they knew precisely how it all worked only to understand late in the day that they actually knew bugger all. Who could have foreseen that? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Imagine being so desperate to hold on to power that you prematurely end the suspension of an alleged sex offender. That should finish May off on its own. I'm guessing he must be an amazing whip with a rather persuasive argument or some such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Sky reckon may has 171 public shows of confidence of course they are Tory's so that could equate to her receiving 27 actual votes , but she seems to be safe in terms of votes guess it comes down , how much of a win is big enough , various MP's on Radio 5 were playing even a win by 1 vote is a win and good enough These things have a history of people declaring publicly - then doing something different on the ballot paper. I think she will get a victory - but much narrower than some think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rodders said: yes, but crucially you would think 12 months is long enough to cover the immediate issues of either deal or no deal etc. They can't get in at this point. Yes - but don't forget this agreement is only how we exit europe. How the country is governed, tax rates, pensions, workers rights, personally worries me more. The thought of Boris and JRM putting forward a bill of employment rights terrifies me TBH Edited December 12, 2018 by hippo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 She's 10/1 on to win the confidence vote. I seem to remember Hillary Clinton being about the same price on election night in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 49 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Imagine being so desperate to hold on to power that you prematurely end the suspension of an alleged sex offender. That should finish May off on its own. he sent text messages to a consenting women who poses in her bra on Instagram didn't he ? ( I believe she also texted him back ?) does that make him a sex offender ? ..or is there something else he's done ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, snowychap said: She's 10/1 on to win the confidence vote. I seem to remember Hillary Clinton being about the same price on election night in 2016. They'd be absolutely mad to get rid of her. Even they're not that stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Apparent she has offered a date to stand down if they let her deliver Brexit. surprising move give twitter et all - think she will win easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 27 minutes ago, hippo said: Yes - but don't forget this agreement is only how we exit europe. How the country is governed, tax rates, pensions, workers rights, personally worries me more. The thought of Boris and JRM putting forward a bill of employment rights terrifies me TBH Oh yes, but I am just taking it one potential catastrophe at a times. First and foremost not having those tits negotiating their euro wet dream is the extent of my focus. We can deal with the next potential disaster of a leadership change and a new election later on! Though now it seems she's quitting "before" 2022. Sorry, intending to quit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rodders said: Oh yes, but I am just taking it one potential catastrophe at a times. First and foremost not having those tits negotiating their euro wet dream is the extent of my focus. We can deal with the next potential disaster of a leadership change and a new election later on! Though now it seems she's quitting "before" 2022. Sorry, intending to quit Not sure we can deal with it - Think Labour got lucky in the last GE - A rightist, anti immigration tory - would go down pretty well with the general public IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I think she will win comfortably, and at the same time it will prove the Brexiteer numpty faction is rather smaller than they actually appear to be from the amount of noise they make. She's been an absolute disaster of a leader for lots of other reasons though and deserves to go for that anyway. Quitting before the next GE seems logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted December 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, hippo said: A rightist, anti immigration tory - would go down pretty well with the general public IMO I think one would struggle to find a more anti-immigration Tory than May. Edited December 12, 2018 by snowychap insert 'to' 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, hippo said: Not sure we can deal with it - Think Labour got lucky in the last GE - A rightist, anti immigration tory - would go down pretty well with the general public IMO maybe about 30% of the general public, but i guess that’s all you need to count as ‘the will of the people’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: LOL what? How did you figure that out. I was perhaps a little OTT with this. My reasoning for May; even though I think she's a spiteful anti-immigration witch; is that if she was a leaver, her deal wouldn't align us so closely to the EU. Perhaps I'm wrong but she seems to have made this deal fairly soft, softer than she needed to. I think she believes in the EU, other than anything to do with immigration. As for Corbyn, I just don't believe he's a remainer. He's too old school anti-Neo Liberalism, anti-Capitalism but maybe he's softened as Labour leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: he sent text messages to a consenting women who poses in her bra on Instagram didn't he ? ( I believe she also texted him back ?) does that make him a sex offender ? ..or is there something else he's done ? You're thinking of Andrew Griffiths, who's a bit of a pervy bastard, but yeah, there's no suggestion he was doing anything criminal in that case (though there were separate claims of sexual harassment from a former colleague). It still says something about the integrity of the leadership to boot him out months ago, but desperately invite him back today though, doesn't it? Chris Elphicke on the other hand, was suspended after sexual offences that were referred to the police. I believe the criminal investigation is still ongoing. He's also been unsuspended today. That's a rather more despicable move. Now, he's not been convicted of anything at this point, and I'm sure some would point out innocent until proven guilty, and all that. But he was suspended directly due to those actions, and has been brought back for no other reason than to get his vote. Edited December 12, 2018 by Davkaus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: As for Corbyn, I just don't believe he's a remainer. He's too old school anti-Neo Liberalism, anti-Capitalism but maybe he's softened as Labour leader. I'd bet a lot of money that he is whatever you'd call a person whose position is "please shut up and stop asking me about common commercial tariffs and rules of origin requirements, I want to talk about Palestine and the Rohingya and I genuinely don't give a toss". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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