bickster Posted December 12, 2018 Moderator Share Posted December 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I think you are confusing your views with that of the whole nation No, I think I'm using a fairly universal truth. Edward Heath was the last poshie to be Tory PM. Lord Snooty is in the IBS, Mr Spock category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 12, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, blandy said: To be fair, Corbyn and Labour stood on a brexit manifesto, supported Article 50 being issued and have failed to oppose Brexit. SO we'd get Brexit and a Corbyn gov't. It's not about being more scared, it's just changing Brexit plus one set of arseclowns for Brexit with a different set. Corbyn, Abbott Gardiner etc. are every bit as incompetent and deluded as May and her, I was gonna say chums, but sort of colleagues. My point is more that they're scared of Corbyn generally, more widely than in just Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 12, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Awol said: Reminds me of the X-Men when the machine to turn people into mutants actually makes them a liquid sack. If that process stopped half-way through you’ve got Gove. Surely you mean "if the process continued further"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 12, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted December 12, 2018 38 minutes ago, Chindie said: My point is more that they're scared of Corbyn generally, more widely than in just Brexit. Yes, sorry, I know it was. I was expanding, along the lines of many people not keeping up with stuff seem to think Momentum and labour and youth and all that - anti brexit, but Corbyn's not anti Brexit and labour say they'll do Brexit, too, but with different Unicorns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hippo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, PieFacE said: Don't think there's a chance in hell that she will be voted out. It's pointless. People who want her out should really consider their stance on Brexit. I really don't know why they think a different person would do a better job of doing the impossible? She could win and still be toppled - If 100 or more vote no - I doubt she would survive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 4 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Well the respective leaders are an ideological Remainer (May) and an ideological Leaver (Corbyn) but you're right, it won't happen. LOL what? How did you figure that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 A promise, then, to those wavering in their immediate support that she'll resign after 29th March? She'd obviously be odds on to renege on this commitment because that is her wont but it would probably be swallowed just like all of the other 'assurances'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, snowychap said: A promise, then, to those wavering in their immediate support that she'll resign after 29th March? She'd obviously be odds on to renege on this commitment because that is her wont but it would probably be swallowed just like all of the other 'assurances'. Following on from that, if she does make that commitment and those who vote against her still won't accept her continuing as leader, might they not commit to voting against the government in any and all future votes in the house including an FTPA vote of no confidence in the hopes of bringing about a GE and her resignation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HanoiVillan Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Interested in how they're likely to vote? Someone's putting together a Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s9OvRyKHB_iXAozPvDLLhCAY_jEpMScKDIn-cXAHAHY/edit#gid=0 Immediate takeaways: 1) Confidence is going to win in a landslide 2) Every MP from the wider B'ham area is voting Confidence, as far as I can see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 12, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2018 It's one of those things where you have to wonder what on earth they think this is going to achieve. It took a month to get to 48 letters and it's obvious whilst May's Brexit deal is shit and deeply unpopular, there's not really any prospect of her being ousted because there's fears it would either strengthen Corbyn's chances and there's fears about whatever would take the seat next from their own side. It's bizarre. Completely stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 That would be just over 52%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 50 minutes ago, Chindie said: It's one of those things where you have to wonder what on earth they think this is going to achieve. It took a month to get to 48 letters and it's obvious whilst May's Brexit deal is shit and deeply unpopular, there's not really any prospect of her being ousted because there's fears it would either strengthen Corbyn's chances and there's fears about whatever would take the seat next from their own side. It's bizarre. Completely stupid. I agree. I'd be surprised if anymore than 70-100 vote against her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I suppose May staying in power for a guaranteed 12 months does have the benefit of keeping the nutters quiet, and anything that prevents Boris, Gove or JRM taking the hot seat has to be a good thing. Small, Pyrrhic victories is what we''re hoping for. Marvellous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, Rodders said: I suppose May staying in power for a guaranteed 12 months does have the benefit of keeping the nutters quiet, and anything that prevents Boris, Gove or JRM taking the hot seat has to be a good thing. Small, Pyrrhic victories is what we''re hoping for. Marvellous. Maybe - but if TM wins the vote - those guys aren't going away they are just biding there time. When May goes they will be ready and waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Stay classy, guys: Why didn't Andrew Griffiths have the whip this morning? He was suspended for sexual harassment. Very much in line with recent Tory tradition, and real classy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, hippo said: Maybe - but if TM wins the vote - those guys aren't going away they are just biding there time. When May goes they will be ready and waiting. yes, but crucially you would think 12 months is long enough to cover the immediate issues of either deal or no deal etc. They can't get in at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 A possible egg-on-face, prediction, but I reckon this might be a lot closer that it currently seems. What the likes of dozens of MPs say on Twitter isn't necessarily the way they might vote in a completely anonymous ballot. She'll stay in though - just not on a comfortable margin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted December 12, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Why didn't Andrew Griffiths have the whip this morning? He was suspended for sexual harassment. Just when you think they can't outdo themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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