bickster Posted November 15, 2018 Moderator Share Posted November 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: How did Corbyn fair in those polls before he got a nomination onto the labour ballot ? Absolutely no idea & absolutely no interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: How did Corbyn fair in those polls before he got a nomination onto the labour ballot ? Bit different though, innit. If the Labour leader were elected using the Tory party process he wouldn't have got past the first round. Likewise if the Tories used the system Labour use, Rees-Mogg would be at 1/4, Johnson at 9/2 and nobody else shorter than 20/1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 May trying to become the people's PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted November 15, 2018 She really, really isn't good at the talking to people thing. She's awful at most things, bar survival for a few seconds more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Politics aside, tough bird that May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 15, 2018 Moderator Share Posted November 15, 2018 54 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: He's a Brexiter who seems to have got behind May and thus might be a middle ground between the extremes of a Mogg or a Boris 1 He's got so behind May he's rumoured to have turned down the job of Brexit Secretary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 50 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Bit different though, innit. If the Labour leader were elected using the Tory party process he wouldn't have got past the first round. Likewise if the Tories used the system Labour use, Rees-Mogg would be at 1/4, Johnson at 9/2 and nobody else shorter than 20/1. the process maybe ,but we weren't really talking about that ... the point is Bicks rationale for why Gove can't be leader is the polls tell him he's the 20th most popular conservative , I'm just questioning that view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 15, 2018 Moderator Share Posted November 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: the process maybe ,but we weren't really talking about that ... the point is Bicks rationale for why Gove can't be leader is the polls tell him he's the 20th most popular conservative , I'm just questioning that view Actually, he can't be the leader because an awful lot of the Parliamentary party think he's a Grade A word removed, the 20th bit is probably lower than that because there's a whole host of Tories who most people go Who? some of them resigned today and still, the man in the street won't know them from Adam by Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Politics aside, tough bird that May. Mulish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: the process maybe ,but we weren't really talking about that ... the point is Bicks rationale for why Gove can't be leader is the polls tell him he's the 20th most popular conservative , I'm just questioning that view I get the point you're making and for most cases I think your logic is absolutely sound. But in this case I don't think you can't separate the process, because it's a process that has been specifically designed to prevent the very thing happening that we're talking about. Edit: by which I mean the victory of a candidate who doesn't have broad consensus with both MPs and members. Not a system to screw over Michael Gove. Obvs. Edited November 15, 2018 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 hour ago, bickster said: He's got so behind May he's rumoured to have turned down the job of Brexit Secretary. Maybe they should just ditch the job of Brexit secretary. If they have to give it to a leaver, they might give it to someone who quits (and they might well find it hard to find a leaver prepared to take it). If they have to give it to a remainer, it'll just be accusations about the traitor selling us down the river. The PR look of having a bloke organise a deal, and then resigning over it 'in principle' is not a great look they should be prepared to chance repeating. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 15, 2018 Moderator Share Posted November 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Maybe they should just ditch the job of Brexit secretary. If they have to give it to a leaver, they might give it to someone who quits (and they might well find it hard to find a leaver prepared to take it). If they have to give it to a remainer, it'll just be accusations about the traitor selling us down the river. The PR look of having a bloke organise a deal, and then resigning over it 'in principle' is not a great look they should be prepared to chance repeating. Had much the same thought myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Probably not the smartest idea for Esther to announce her resignation on a platform where people can publish their reactions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snowychap Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 That would be very funny indeed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Wow Claire Perry (who) just won rant of the year on QT just now Wonder if there will be any repercussions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Wow Claire Perry (who) just won rant of the year on QT just now Wonder if there will be any repercussions? Vile woman, pretty much accusing Dimbleby of sexism before he even said anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Vile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Lost her all credibility with the audience apart from a few furiously applauding gammons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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