peterms Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, bickster said: A bit of digging sees references to November 27th That should help stoke up the tension even more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, peterms said: Yes, I posted that a few days ago. I think there is now no scope for further delay, and we are expecting a judgement on a short timescale? 'Delaying tactics' claim as UK Government launch further appeal in Brexit legal battle Quote A cross-party group of politicians is seeking a ruling from Europe’s highest court on whether or not parliament can revoke Article 50 without the permission of other EU countries. Scotland’s top judges referred the case to the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) earlier this year and just last week rejected a bid by the government to try to appeal that decision. The government is now seeking a further appeal at the Supreme Court in London and has asked for the CJEU hearing, due to take place in two week’s time, to be cancelled. This has prompted claims government lawyers are using delaying tactics in a bid to stop the European court from hearing the case ahead of the parliamentary vote on Brexit. Jo Maugham QC, one of the petitioners in the case, said that due to the timescales involved, any adjournment in the case “is as good as a defeat”. The barrister added: “The government can see very clearly that if MPs know that they have a good alternative, it will make them even less likely to support the government’s deal. That’s why they’re very concerned about this case. “It feels to us like this is an ugly and expensive attempt to keep parliament in the dark and a wasteful use of public money.” A legal source in the case also said it was “difficult not to think” delaying tactics are being used, particularly when the government’s previous appeal was lodged on the last possible day. The source added: “This is a further delay on their part. They could have notified us of this on Friday and given us the weekend to work on it, especially given the tight timeframe.” It was also claimed that the latest appeal may not be “competent” and could breach the rules of Scotland’s highest court, the Court of Session, where the original decision was made. The legal battle is being led by Green MSP Andy Wightman, alongside his fellow Green MSP Ross Greer, Labour MEPs Catherine Stihler, David Martin, SNP MEP Alyn Smith, Scottish LibDem MP Christine Jardine, and SNP MP Joanna Cherry QC. LibDem MP Tom Brake and Labour MP Chris Leslie are additional parties to the action. Mr Wightman, MSP for Lothian, described the appeal as a “desperate attempt by the UK Government to frustrate the hearing due to be heard in the Court of Justice”. He added that the application was incompetent, saying: “If the Supreme Court grants this appeal we are in uncharted territory.” Mr Maugham, founder of the Good Law Project, has set up a crowdfunding page to help fund the petitioners’ case, with more than £160,000 raised so far. A Government spokesman said: “We will not comment further on ongoing litigation but the government’s position has been clear that we will not be revoking Article 50.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Only in the U.K. can a live interview at the steps of Number 10 end up with a cat walking up to the front door if that was America they’d have shot it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peterms Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 So, resignations. Leaving aside the clownish McVey, who may or may not go (and who would notice anyway), will there be any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Baffling to me seeing Labour MP's poo-pooing the idea of an election, at the same time as this is happening: They don't actually have a majority to govern, if the DUP take their toys away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatAboutTheFinish Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Quote Mr Maugham, founder of the Good Law Project, has set up a crowdfunding page to help fund the petitioners’ case, with more than £160,000 raised so far. So barrister sets up crowdfunding page to pay his own fees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatAboutTheFinish Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 6 hours ago, peterms said: So, resignations. Leaving aside the clownish McVey, who may or may not go (and who would notice anyway), will there be any? Surely Fox can’t go down on this ship? The whole cabinet must know the game is up now. I think those with aspirations (like Javid) may hold on for now though in case they are in advertantly forced to take over this clusterf now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 8 hours ago, peterms said: So, resignations. Leaving aside the clownish McVey, who may or may not go (and who would notice anyway), will there be any? Shailesh Vara has resigned as Northern Ireland minister. No, me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 15, 2018 Moderator Share Posted November 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Shailesh Vara has resigned as Northern Ireland minister. No, me neither. Oh come on you must remember the Northern Ireland minister who didn't realise the Protestants all voted for the Nationalists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Raab has gone. More to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 The possibility of forcing an election may be on the cards, if there's enough implosion among the tories. Labour need to sit tight and let things unfold a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 48 minutes ago, bickster said: Oh come on you must remember the Northern Ireland minister who didn't realise the Protestants all voted for the Nationalists This gentleman is just "a" minister, rather than "the" minister. Karen Bradley was the dopey one you mention above. I am unaware of Mr. Vara's levels of competence, given few outside of his immediate family had heard of him before this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, peterms said: The possibility of forcing an election may be on the cards, if there's enough implosion among the tories. Labour need to sit tight and let things unfold a little more. They can't force anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 15, 2018 Moderator Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: This gentleman is just "a" minister, rather than "the" minister. Karen Bradley was the dopey one you mention above. I am unaware of Mr. Vara's levels of competence, given few outside of his immediate family had heard of him before this morning. Ah yes, you are correct, in that case, me neither Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peterms Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 minute ago, snowychap said: They can't force anything. Let's say their actions can help or hinder a situation emerging where an election becomes inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, snowychap said: Or possibly attempting to find his own arse, using both hands... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, peterms said: Let's say their actions can help or hinder a situation emerging where an election becomes inevitable. The Labour party are not in control of anything at the moment (least of all themselves or their own policies). We may end up having another General Election after all this has played out (I think it's less than likely but we're all guessing) but to suggest that it will have been forced by Labour would be like making the stander-by responsible for the fight that they're watching in the car park. Edited November 15, 2018 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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