The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

[bickster]

5 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

R4 Today programme suggesting Jacob Rees Mogg using the parliamentary recess to consult chums on a leadership challenge.

 

 

 

 

Hope so, hope he wins too. It'll potentially kill them for a good long time

[tonyh29]

6 hours ago, bickster said:

Hope so, hope he wins too. It'll potentially kill them for a good long time

Didn't people say that about Corbyn as well?

him v Corbyn could make an interesting  head to head though , I mean you can't really get much further apart as leaders can you ?

[mjmooney]

Soubry talking about quitting the Tories. 

[bickster]

2 hours ago, mjmooney said:

Soubry talking about quitting the Tories. 

Extremely Remain, if she leaves and others follow it could pave the way for a VONC

[Xann]

The Hunt years - Run it into the ground.

Sell it cheap to your Mates.

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Tory government quietly doubles number of NHS properties it is selling off

The amount of land up for disposal has doubled – triggering Labour accusations of desperate measures to plug a big hole in NHS finances

Dozens of NHS sites still being used for medical care are up for sale

A secret “fire sale” of hospital land – including dozens of properties still being used for medical care – is planned to bail out the cash-strapped NHS, new documents show.

The Department of Health has quietly doubled the amount of land it intends to dispose of, triggering accusations of desperate measures to plug a big hole in NHS finances.

Details of more than half of the 1,300 hectares now up for sale have been kept under wraps because of “sensitivity” – raising suspicions that many other sites also have clinical uses.

The revelation comes after the Naylor review called for the NHS to adopt “a more commercial approach” to selling off assets – branding them a “source of untapped value” – and was embraced by Theresa May to help inject £10bn into the NHS.

Today’s analysis, carried out for Labour by the House of Commons Library, went through Department of Health data of land that NHS organisations “have deemed surplus” and eligible for sale.

Of the 543 plots, totaling 1,332 hectares – worth many hundreds of millions of pounds – 117 are currently being used for clinical or medical purposes, Labour said.

 

However, data on 734 of those hectares, spread over 63 sites, has been held back due to “issues of sensitivity”, the analysis found.

 

Independent

Oink Oink!

 

[darrenm]

3 hours ago, mjmooney said:

Soubry talking about quitting the Tories. 

I like to think I've helped her be honest with herself

 

[Chindie]

Yes Soubry is a snake. I can't take whining about Brexit seriously from someone who actually enacted it without a thought.

[bickster]

2 hours ago, Chindie said:

Yes Soubry is a snake. I can't take whining about Brexit seriously from someone who actually enacted it without a thought.

BIAD

[ml1dch]

On 13/08/2017 at 10:11, chrisp65 said:

R4 Today programme suggesting Jacob Rees Mogg using the parliamentary recess to consult chums on a leadership challenge.

 

 

 

 

As per the current Private Eye, it's not his time yet.

He's about to graduate to the job of "funny Tory", with his 19th Century way of speaking and his amusingly named children.

His predecessor Boris, is promoted to the role of "just another bloody Tory", which is a vital step on the ladder to becoming Prime Minister.

Rees-Mogg needs to pay his dues at being "the funny one" before he gets a stab at the top job.

Edited August 14, 2017 by ml1dch

[bickster]

16 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

Didn't people say that about Corbyn as well?

him v Corbyn could make an interesting  head to head though , I mean you can't really get much further apart as leaders can you ?

They did, they may have been right too if the Tories weren't so bad

[tonyh29]

59 minutes ago, bickster said:

They did, they may have been right too if the Tories weren't so bad

Tories  ..or May ? the Tories themselves increased their vote by 5.5% (  which doesn't prove they aren't bad of course )

There is an argument that Labour would have won this election had they somebody other than Corbyn  , so I guess you could apply the same Logic to May  , would someone a bit more public and media friendly have seen it home  ?

[bickster]

10 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

Tories  ..or May ? the Tories themselves increased their vote by 5.5% (  which doesn't prove they aren't bad of course )

There is an argument that Labour would have won this election had they somebody other than Corbyn  , so I guess you could apply the same Logic to May  , would someone a bit more public and media friendly have seen it home  ?

Who though, they dont have anyone. Just think of all the possibles, there is no one

[darrenm]

19 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

There is an argument that Labour would have won this election had they somebody other than Corbyn

Quite a leap. The polls skyrocketing and now Labour overtaking Tories suggests that Labour wouldn't have gotten anywhere near. You think any other leader would have caused the biggest increase of vote share since 1945 and a bigger swing than Blair?

[sharkyvilla]

14 minutes ago, bickster said:

Who though, they dont have anyone. Just think of all the possibles, there is no one

I don't know whether someone younger like Johnny Mercer or Heidi Allen could do a Cameron and come from nowhere.  If the election showed anything, it's that the Tories are still toxic to many people so would need to pick their next leader carefully as only a very few of their established MPs have any crossover appeal whatsoever.

[HanoiVillan]

2 hours ago, ml1dch said:

As per the current Private Eye, it's not his time yet.

He's about to graduate to the job of "funny Tory", with his 19th Century way of speaking and his amusingly named children.

His predecessor Boris, is promoted to the role of "just another bloody Tory", which is a vital step on the ladder to becoming Prime Minister.

Rees-Mogg needs to pay his dues at being "the funny one" before he gets a stab at the top job.

I did lol at this, but then the thought occured 'when did May spend time as the 'funny Tory'?

[Xann]

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Government spends twice as much abroad on fossil fuels as renewable energy

The Government has been accused of undermining its own efforts to tackle climate change after new research revealed it is investing twice as much in fossil fuel projects overseas as it is in renewables.

Almost half (46 per cent) of the money the UK spent on energy overseas went on fossil fuels while barely more than a fifth (22 per cent) was spent on renewable energy sources.

The research, commissioned by Catholic charity CAFOD and carried out by the Overseas Development Institute, analysed spending between 2010 and 2014 – the last period for which data is available.

It shows that, of the £7.5bn the UK spent on energy abroad, £1.3bn was spent on renewables and £2.9bn on fossil fuels – appearing to contradict both government ministers’ promises on climate change and the UK’s international commitments under the Paris Climate Agreement.

The treaty, signed in 2015, says countries must work towards “making finance flows consistent with a pathway towards low greenhouse gas emissions and climate-resilient development”.

The Conservative manifesto, meanwhile, promised ministers would “continue to lead international action against climate change”.

However, UK spending on fossil fuels overseas increased by more than half a billion pounds in the five-year period up to 2014 – up from £2.2bn in 2009-2013.

 

Tories pledge support for oil, after taking £400k from industry bosses

Independent

Left that last link in there.

[ml1dch]

15 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

I did lol at this, but then the thought occured 'when did May spend time as the 'funny Tory'?

That step is optional. May was fast-tracked due to her exceptional promise straight into the role of "just another bloody Tory".

[tonyh29]

56 minutes ago, darrenm said:

Quite a leap. The polls skyrocketing and now Labour overtaking Tories suggests that Labour wouldn't have gotten anywhere near. You think any other leader would have caused the biggest increase of vote share since 1945 and a bigger swing than Blair?

depends if that other leader was going to come out and outright lie over wiping out tuition fee debt  

which polls though ?  , yougov who seems to have one of the more recent polls , show Lab 44 to Tory 41  .. but still show 36% think May would make a better PM than Corbyn (33%)

 

Edited August 14, 2017 by tonyh29

[tonyh29]

1 hour ago, bickster said:

Who though, they dont have anyone. Just think of all the possibles, there is no one

that's your perspective  , if you ask someone who isn't ABT you might get a different answer

 

 

[blandy]

25 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

that's your perspective  , if you ask someone who isn't ABT you might get a different answer

It seems to be the opinion of the Tory members, too. They  picked "none of the above" when asked. I think the next highest was David Davies with 19%

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/08/our-survey-next-tory-leader-none-of-the-above-leads-the-field-many-party-members-want-to-skip-a-generation.html

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The findings of our new version of the survey largely mimic the old one.  Thirty per cent of Party member respondents opted for “Other” last month.  This month, that total climbs to over a third of those who answered the question, 34 per cent.

And as that category rises by four per cent, David Davis’s backing falls by the same amount.  He still leads the pack of potential contenders, but drops from 24 per cent to 20 per cent.

Boris Johnson is down from 19 per cent to nine per cent – his lowest rating since the survey began, as far as we can see.  But his plight is not unique.  No other Cabinet member bar Davis gets into double figures.