The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

[LondonLax]

1 hour ago, Genie said:

I think so, pretend to be straight.

To be honest that’s probably not bad advice. Some of those regimes are nasty

[Ingram85]

7 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

To be honest that’s probably not bad advice. Some of those regimes are nasty

Woooooooosh

[Genie]

7 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

To be honest that’s probably not bad advice. Some of those regimes are nasty

I have a bad feeling something terrible is going to happen to England fans out there.

[LondonLax]

3 minutes ago, Genie said:

I have a bad feeling something terrible is going to happen to England fans out there.

I don’t think it would happen on mass but I recon a few people could find themselves in very uncomfortable situations without much publicity.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Re appointing the insane/evil Braverman tells me all I need to know about Sunak.

We need an election. The Tories can go and destroy themselves but the rest of the country wants to address the real issues. Conservatives are stuck in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[ciggiesnbeer]

Re the world cup. Its why  am boycotting it (its ok you dont have to!)

A corrupt world cup. Simple as that.

Very much looking forward to the women's world cup next year though. Now that IS something to be excited about.

[sidcow]

1 hour ago, Genie said:

I have a bad feeling something terrible is going to happen to England fans out there.

I can guarantee it. They're going to have to watch a Gareth Southgate team play football. 

[cheltenham_villa]

2 hours ago, bickster said:

I thought Starmer's shot across the bows of Party before Country was rather well delivered and will resonate a lot with the public. I doubt it'll be the last time he uses it.

I don't quite follow it to be honest, aren't all politicians party before country? Else surely they would find some middle ground every now and then.

[Risso]

6 hours ago, KentVillan said:

It's the "respectful" bit that stinks.

Definitely sensible advice to not reveal your LGBT identity in Qatar, for your own personal safety. But don't frame it as "respect". Frame it as "rational fear" of a backwards shithole country that is only hosting the WC because of bribery. Starmer was right to say he won't be attending.

It's what happens when the modern world rubs up against a backwards religion like Islam. Don't fool yourself that the majority of Muslims in the UK aren't opposed to homosexuality.  For one example, look at that school in Birmingham a couple of years, with the parents protesting about kids being taught about same-sex relationships. Also this report in the Guardian states that a poll shows that "half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal". https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

I loathe all religion, but we tiptoe around religious feelings in this country, and so feigning outrage when somebody says we should do it in a far more religious state is bordering on hypocrisy.

[Rolta]

12 hours ago, Risso said:

It's what happens when the modern world rubs up against a backwards religion like Islam. Don't fool yourself that the majority of Muslims in the UK aren't opposed to homosexuality.  For one example, look at that school in Birmingham a couple of years, with the parents protesting about kids being taught about same-sex relationships. Also this report in the Guardian states that a poll shows that "half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal". https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

I loathe all religion, but we tiptoe around religious feelings in this country, and so feigning outrage when somebody says we should do it in a far more religious state is bordering on hypocrisy.

Haven't you described most of the American Bible belt too? And plenty of other Christians tbh. I mean, Giorgia Meloni got quite a lot of support for railing against gay characters in Peppa Pig. 

Who'd have thought uber conservative people of all faiths are a bunch of pricks. 

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Rolta

[Risso]

40 minutes ago, Rolta said:

Haven't you described most of the American Bible belt too? And plenty of other Christians. I mean, Giorgia Meloni got quite a lot of support for railing against gay characters in Peppa Pig. 

 

Almost certainly, but the discussion was about Qatar.

[bickster]

2 hours ago, cheltenham_villa said:

I don't quite follow it to be honest, aren't all politicians party before country? Else surely they would find some middle ground every now and then.

No, prime example, Edward Heath calling a General Election in February 1974 because he wanted a mandate to deal with the Miners Strike and the economic situation the country was in (3 day week etc). He didn't need to call an election because he had a majority and could have carried on for another 15 months or so. He did it because he wanted a mandate from the people. It was a gamble and one he lost as the country then had a Labour minority Government. Thorpes Liberals were the real winners though as the two major parties both decreased their share of the vote and the Liberals gained

But anyway, he definitely put the country first and party second.

[KentVillan]

2 hours ago, Risso said:

It's what happens when the modern world rubs up against a backwards religion like Islam. Don't fool yourself that the majority of Muslims in the UK aren't opposed to homosexuality.  For one example, look at that school in Birmingham a couple of years, with the parents protesting about kids being taught about same-sex relationships. Also this report in the Guardian states that a poll shows that "half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal". https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

I loathe all religion, but we tiptoe around religious feelings in this country, and so feigning outrage when somebody says we should do it in a far more religious state is bordering on hypocrisy.

I dunno mate. My Muslim friends are more “culturally Muslim” (Muslim for weddings and funerals, and when behaving well in front of their family), and never heard them say anything homophobic. Which is similar to a lot of Christians. I don’t think it’s as simple as you say. Religions are mostly homophobic in a strict textual sense, but how many people follow things to the letter?

Not saying there aren’t loads of homophobic Muslims, but reality is there are loads of homophobic people of all religions - it’s pretty common.

What’s bad is when you have countries where the religious establishment is still a major legal and political force. That’s more common in the Islamic world (for various complex reasons), but it’s not unique to the Islamic world.

[snowychap]

Another show of ''unity'

[Genie]

2 minutes ago, snowychap said:

Another show of ''unity'

That will surprise absolutely nobody.

It’s hard to fathom how many clean slates they soil by making the same stupid decisions over and over.

Would it have been so difficult to tell the sacked Suella Breverman she can’t have a new job because of her recent rule breaches. The opposition and the general public just won’t accept it, especially after all that has gone on with Boris and Truss. Its a no. 

Instead, it was a “go on then, there will probably be a bit of backlash but we’ll ride it out”.

I hope they can’t.

[bickster]

Imagine a football club nearing bankruptcy, they only have enough signed players to just about fill the bench, the dressing room is toxic with divided camps of players and they can't afford a manager so they keep appointing player managers with little success.

Oh and there's a huge problem of racism and bigotry in the fanbase 

Is that a script for a sporting disaster movie or an allegorical tale for the Tory Party

[Davkaus]

Well, a scandal and a series of u turns is the traditional way to begin a tory premiership

[mjmooney]

23 minutes ago, bickster said:

Imagine a football club nearing bankruptcy, they only have enough signed players to just about fill the bench, the dressing room is toxic with divided camps of players and they can't afford a manager so they keep appointing player managers with little success.

Oh and there's a huge problem of racism and bigotry in the fanbase 

Is that a script for a sporting disaster movie or an allegorical tale for the Tory Party

Sounds like small heath. 

[bickster]

3 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

Sounds like small heath. 

That works, even the colour scheme fits  

[Stevo985]

18 hours ago, KentVillan said:

It's the "respectful" bit that stinks.

Definitely sensible advice to not reveal your LGBT identity in Qatar, for your own personal safety. But don't frame it as "respect". Frame it as "rational fear" of a backwards shithole country that is only hosting the WC because of bribery. Starmer was right to say he won't be attending.

Exactly how I read it.

It's actually good advice, just framed in a completely bizarre and clueless way.

It's like telling women to keep an eye on their drinks so nobody slips a rape drug in there. But phrasing it as "Be respectful to men by not leaving yourself open to getting raped otherwise you'll have nobody to blame but yourself, boys will be boys"