ciggiesnbeer Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 The second tranche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted September 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2022 37 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: The UK has a parliamentary election system, where we vote for 'the party' and general arm-waving policies, and not some charismatic idiot. Well in principle at least. How long have you been in the States? 31 minutes ago, bickster said: No we don't. We have a FPTP parliamentary system where we vote for an individual candidate to represent us in parliement. If you've been voting for a particular party you've been doing it wrong That aged well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, tinker said: That aged well 31 minutes ago, Davkaus said: In principle you're right, in practice, it's completely irrelevant. 99% of people are "doing it wrong". If the average voter on a street isn't voting for a party, it's because they're voting for the president of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 25, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, Davkaus said: In principle you're right, in practice, it's completely irrelevant. 99% of people are "doing it wrong". If the average voter on a street isn't voting for a party, it's because they're voting for the president of the UK. I'm not so sure that is the case, there are numerous examples of the candidate having a negative effect on their vote But there are also examples of people continually being re-elected because they are good constituency MPs, Caroline Lucas for one (an awful lot of her voters are natural Tories), it is also the LibDems main modus operandi, they win seats as protest votes and keep them by being good constituency MPs Yes, you are correct though, an awful lot of voters are doing it wrong, the vast majority of them. And as you know, I am in favour of completely scrapping FPTP as it is decidely undemocratic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 25, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 25, 2022 EDIT: SCR are fairly consistent in their high Labour numbers, the middle ground in the polls says the Labour lead is around the 8-9% mark but further polling in the coming days could change everything. We'll have to wait until at least next weekend to get a post non-budget reaction amongst any of the pollsters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: It’s a start. Post Office, water, electricity, gas and anything else these spivs appropriated next please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 They also said they’d reverse the removal of the 45% tax band for very high earners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2022 Have they said when they'll start investment in the concentration camps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 26, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, meregreen said: Post Office Never been privatised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) Decent noises coming out of the conference so far but I'm not sure I'll ever recover from the cringe that was that national anthem rendition Edited September 26, 2022 by Wainy316 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 26, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 26, 2022 I think it's fair to say that I am surprised to wake up to a Monday with an argument that has Sir Kier Starmer on one side and John McDonnell and Bicks on the other. But John and Bicks are right on this one - the party has to decide, it can't be done under threat from the leadership - and I'd like to see Labour moving some way towards electoral reform and the removal of first past the post. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Decent noises coming out of the conference so far but I'm not sure I'll ever recover from the cringe that was that national anthem rendition They're actually finally starting to sound like a government in waiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2022 The al Jazeera documentary is just confirming what everyone not wilfully blind could see - the party actively undermined itself in the most despicable and undemocratic ways, because powerful elements of the party hated the leadership. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 hours ago, bickster said: Never been privatised Is that Post Office as distinct from Royal Mail, because pretty sure Royal Mail is privately owned. Iirc one of the biggest shareholders is also one of the largest importers of Russian Gas, although that may not be true, as the source I got that nugget came from is a bit suspect tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 26, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, HKP90 said: Is that Post Office as distinct from Royal Mail, because pretty sure Royal Mail is privately owned They are separate entities. Royal Mail is privatised. The Post Office is nationalised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, bickster said: They are separate entities. Royal Mail is privatised. The Post Office is nationalised Ah. Figured that's what you meant. I actually didn't realise that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2022 I actually don't see how we are in a position to nationalise anything at the moment given the state of the economy. Some accountant types can perhaps let me know if this is feasible, as my understanding of it is reasonably limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 26, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 26, 2022 42 minutes ago, HKP90 said: I actually don't see how we are in a position to nationalise anything at the moment given the state of the economy. Some accountant types can perhaps let me know if this is feasible, as my understanding of it is reasonably limited. You can nationalise the railways as each franchise comes up for renewal. Zero cost. 5 of the franchises are already government owned and most of the others with a few exceptions are up for renewal during the natural course of the next parliament No company seems to be able to make the East Coast Mainline profitable, thing is, when its back in government hands, it makes money 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, bickster said: You can nationalise the railways as each franchise comes up for renewal. Zero cost. 5 of the franchises are already government owned and most of the others with a few exceptions are up for renewal during the natural course of the next parliament No company seems to be able to make the East Coast Mainline profitable, thing is, when its back in government hands, it makes money Isn't that already the plan? Great British Railways is supposed to be taking over everything other than TFL and Merseyrail in 2023 https://gbrtt.co.uk/ Edited September 26, 2022 by Mozzavfc Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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