The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

[Jareth]

36 minutes ago, desensitized43 said:

That whole argument just makes me so mad. I have an uncle that’s very “old labour” who won’t vote for starmers labour because he doesn’t think it’s “proper labour”.

It’s a childish and pathetic attitude. Even if you believe this labour incarnation is far from perfect, and many do, even those not on the hard left, it’s surely better than the pure evil we have now?

I genuinely think there’s an element that wants to burn the whole house down because they aren’t happy with the wallpaper.

Politicians deserve a vote because they offer something that you want. If they deserve a vote because it’s the least shitest  option them folks are within their rights to abstain. Politicians often abstain themselves. 

[Ingram85]

So wait a minute. People are crying ‘liar’ and ‘hypocrite’ about Starmer and Raynor but they didn’t break any laws at all? Not even ‘not aware of breaking any laws’ but actual legal behaviour that wasn’t against any laws made. So what are the Tories and smooth brains getting antsy about exactly? 

[OutByEaster?]

1 hour ago, Jareth said:

Politicians deserve a vote because they offer something that you want. If they deserve a vote because it’s the least shitest  option them folks are within their rights to abstain. Politicians often abstain themselves. 

That's true, and there are lots of situations where I think it's a philosophy that works perfectly well. This Labour party don't offer a lot that I want, I'd love for there to be a more genuine alternative to the ideologies that we've been afflicted with for decades and it does give me a little bit of a twitch knowing I'll be voting for the least shitty option and even more of a twitch when I realise I might actually be voting for the second least shitty option.

But, I feel like we're in a restaurant where we're offered a pizza with olives or a big plate of cat shit, I don't like olives, but I'm not prepared to let someone else make that decision for me - if I have to eat the cat shit I'm going to be unwell. I'm not voting for the least shitty option, I'm voting against a most shitty option that's the shittiest of shitpiles - it might not be the glowing principles on which democracies are founded, but it's absolutely necessary.

And hey, if we can remove the threat of the big pile of shit, then there will be plenty of time to start picking the olives off that pizza, or maybe swap a slice or two for something we really like - it'll be easier to change the pizza than it is to do anything with the slop that is this Tory party.

I'm going to vote for something I'm not overly keen on, it's not principled, it's not heroic, it's an act of passive aggression because what we should really be doing involves pitchforks and flaming torches. 

 

[StanBalaban]

2 hours ago, Jareth said:

Politicians deserve a vote because they offer something that you want. If they deserve a vote because it’s the least shitest  option them folks are within their rights to abstain. Politicians often abstain themselves. 

I get that, but I think people should also think about removing those that harm the country.

If you wanted a boat trip to see some dolphins but, once out to sea you found that your options were no dolphins and a safe journey to shore, or getting attacked by a great white, you wouldn't simply abstain, would you?

I agree there should be better options, but there's merit in ensuring the worst option isn't a reality too.

[markavfc40]

12 hours ago, Demitri_C said:

You only say that because your a labour supporter mark, if this was boris you would be criticising him. Both parties are dreadful

I am really not mate. You are talking about the difference between chalk and cheese. If for some reason you couldn't see that between 2010 and 2019 I think that is just about forgivable. If you can't see that since the blonde bullshitter got into power then there is clearly no helping some people. Turning it on the people who point that out to you and putting it down to them being Labour, or any other party supporters, is kidding yourself and what the Tories want you to do.

If they are both the same and both as dreadful as each other I'll list half a dozen things off the top of my head from over the last couple of years that Johnson has done/overseen (to make it fair to you outside of polices they have implemented), and you list me half a dozen things Labour have done and we'll see how they match up.

Proroguing of parliament

Pissing off on holiday in February 2020 when it was clear to all what we were facing with covid (it was already happening in Italy) and missing multiple Cobra meetings. When he returned coming out with the let the bodies pile high statement and claiming he had been shaking hands with covid patients. 

 

The siphoning of billions upon billions of pounds of tax payers money to family, friends, donors of the Tory party for PPE

 

Multiple parties at downing street breaking the law and lock down rules

 

First serving PM to have been found to have broken the law

 

Misleading Parliament with lie, after lie, after lie, after lie....

 

As I said I haven't listed the policies that the Tories have implemented that have left this country with the NHS on its knees, a broken social care system, millions of people having to choose between whether they eat or heat their homes, that have pushed millions of people, including millions of children, into poverty and that has purposely led to the country being the most divided I can ever remember it being. 

Edited April 30, 2022 by markavfc40

[Panto_Villan]

1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said:

That's true, and there are lots of situations where I think it's a philosophy that works perfectly well. This Labour party don't offer a lot that I want, I'd love for there to be a more genuine alternative to the ideologies that we've been afflicted with for decades and it does give me a little bit of a twitch knowing I'll be voting for the least shitty option and even more of a twitch when I realise I might actually be voting for the second least shitty option.

But, I feel like we're in a restaurant where we're offered a pizza with olives or a big plate of cat shit, I don't like olives, but I'm not prepared to let someone else make that decision for me - if I have to eat the cat shit I'm going to be unwell. I'm not voting for the least shitty option, I'm voting against a most shitty option that's the shittiest of shitpiles - it might not be the glowing principles on which democracies are founded, but it's absolutely necessary.

And hey, if we can remove the threat of the big pile of shit, then there will be plenty of time to start picking the olives off that pizza, or maybe swap a slice or two for something we really like - it'll be easier to change the pizza than it is to do anything with the slop that is this Tory party.

I'm going to vote for something I'm not overly keen on, it's not principled, it's not heroic, it's an act of passive aggression because what we should really be doing involves pitchforks and flaming torches. 

 

I’m not sure what we should be doing involves pitchforks and flaming torches, actually. The whole purpose of voting is to ensure nobody gets to do the pitchfork thing, because it’s generally better for society to appoint people based on who has the most votes as opposed to the most pitchforks (or is best at using them).

There’s always groups that don’t feel represented by the current political system.

Edited April 30, 2022 by Panto_Villan

[Ingram85]

3 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said:

I’m not sure what we should be doing involves pitchforks and flaming torches, actually. The whole purpose of voting is to ensure nobody gets to do the pitchfork thing, because it’s generally better for society to appoint people based on who has the most votes as opposed to the most pitchforks (or is best at using them).

There’s always groups that don’t feel represented by the current political system.

And then there’s groups that can’t afford food and heating, then there’s the groups above them that are slowly falling into that category and then there’s the group above them that are usually ok but maybe have to start using food banks, then there’s the group that got **** over tax and benefits wise based on their disability who ended up killing themselves.

But it would be worse under Labour lol. 

[Phil Silvers]

Whoever is in wouldn't make a great deal of difference to my life but I cannot stand the fact that we are being governed by a corrupt sleezy, nasty, heartless, detestable, lying bunch of crooks as this lot. Not sure how Labour can dig us out of this hole but I'll wager MOST people will be better off and less stressed out with them then this buch of *******.

[Jareth]

Absolutely detest the Daily Mail, they are now claiming with 4 Tory MP sources (unnamed of course) that Rayner spoke of flashing her parts as a tactic in a jokey way on the Commons bar terrace. I suspect they're full of shit - but when Labour is capable of lying about other things then it undermines everything going forwards - so I now doubt Rayner's account of the situation and can believe she was actually the source of the whole story - it simply would not surprise me. 

[markavfc40]

27 minutes ago, Jareth said:

Absolutely detest the Daily Mail, they are now claiming with 4 Tory MP sources (unnamed of course) that Rayner spoke of flashing her parts as a tactic in a jokey way on the Commons bar terrace. I suspect they're full of shit - but when Labour is capable of lying about other things then it undermines everything going forwards - so I now doubt Rayner's account of the situation and can believe she was actually the source of the whole story - it simply would not surprise me. 

So you have four MP's from a party of lying bastards, a party who are led by the biggest lying bastard to ever step foot in parliament, claiming Rayner is a liar in a paper that puts lies on pretty much every line that goes to print. You are right to suspect they are full of shit. 

[chrisp65]

If four tory MP’s told me the sky was blue, I’d go and get my eyes corrected.

And I’m not a Labour voter.

[Awol]

This won’t hurt Labour with moderate voters next week. It’s interesting how much the political eco-movement aligns with other policy preferences of the very hard left. 

 

[StefanAVFC]

The greens truly are an odd bunch.

Aside from Lucas.

[Davkaus]

It's particularly stupid now, but not new. That's been a policy in their manifesto for years

[Sam-AVFC]

10 hours ago, Awol said:

This won’t hurt Labour with moderate voters next week. It’s interesting how much the political eco-movement aligns with other policy preferences of the very hard left. 

 

Eh?

[Awol]

1 hour ago, Sam-AVFC said:

Eh?

Eh what?

[HanoiVillan]

On 30/04/2022 at 07:57, Panto_Villan said:

If your view is that Starmer isn’t left enough and you’d rather continue with the Tories in power than see him elected then just say that.

I want neither to win, and will vote for neither.

[Demitri_C]

8 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

I want neither to win, and will vote for neither.

Exactly where i am. Labour have had numerous scandals in the past (not as bad as boris and his corrupt government but still there has been)

Political change is needed. The two main parties are unelectable in my view. Both need cleaning up

[markavfc40]

The Daily Mail has uncovered more Labour rule breaking during lockdown. The bastards are all as bad as each other.

[bobzy]

On 02/05/2022 at 01:03, HanoiVillan said:

I want neither to win, and will vote for neither.

 

On 02/05/2022 at 09:31, Demitri_C said:

Exactly where i am. Labour have had numerous scandals in the past (not as bad as boris and his corrupt government but still there has been)

Political change is needed. The two main parties are unelectable in my view. Both need cleaning up

 

Sigh.

 

Edit:  Just to clarify, obviously nothing wrong with voting for whoever you want to vote for.

Edited May 3, 2022 by bobzy