The Tim Sherwood Thread

[Stevo985]

 

Sadly and I don't expect that to change any time soon.

Still, tactics knows he can turn it around and still has 24 saved formations on FM to try out so I'm sure it will be fine.

Its remarkable how quickly he has lost the fans, I just can't see a way back for him.

Even an improvement in results isn't going to change the perception of him that he creates every time he speaks.

There's definitely a way back for him. All he needs a couple of wins that bring us back into the mid-table pack and everything could and will look very different. If we were to somehow win 2 of the next 3 games for example, the pressure would ease significantly.

Its not great at the moment - but he's certainly not beyond redemption yet.

Can you really see us winning 2 of the next 3 games?

I think it's entirely possible that we'll be approaching December still on 4 points.

[romavillan]

 

Sadly and I don't expect that to change any time soon.

Still, tactics knows he can turn it around and still has 24 saved formations on FM to try out so I'm sure it will be fine.

Its remarkable how quickly he has lost the fans, I just can't see a way back for him.

Even an improvement in results isn't going to change the perception of him that he creates every time he speaks.

There's definitely a way back for him. All he needs a couple of wins that bring us back into the mid-table pack and everything could and will look very different. If we were to somehow win 2 of the next 3 games for example, the pressure would ease significantly.

Its not great at the moment - but he's certainly not beyond redemption yet.

a couple of wins might not be enough to do that though, it might only be enough to be in touching distance of 16th/17th.

[romavillan]

 

Sadly and I don't expect that to change any time soon.

Still, tactics knows he can turn it around and still has 24 saved formations on FM to try out so I'm sure it will be fine.

Its remarkable how quickly he has lost the fans, I just can't see a way back for him.

Even an improvement in results isn't going to change the perception of him that he creates every time he speaks.

There's definitely a way back for him. All he needs a couple of wins that bring us back into the mid-table pack and everything could and will look very different. If we were to somehow win 2 of the next 3 games for example, the pressure would ease significantly.

Its not great at the moment - but he's certainly not beyond redemption yet.

Can you really see us winning 2 of the next 3 games?

I think it's entirely possible that we'll be approaching December still on 4 points.

Absolutely, we could be going into the xmas fixtures 9 points adrift of 17th.

[useless]

After the next three games there might not be a way back for the Club in terms of survival, never mind Sherwood, if we don't replace him.

[BG_Villa_Fan]

 

Its remarkable how quickly he has lost the fans, I just can't see a way back for him.

Not really surprising since a lot of the supporters weren't happy with his appointment. Some hated it, some gave him a chance, but very very few were genuinely fully beinhd him and he was always going to be a on very short leash with the fans. Lambert was liked by a large number of fans and this gave him more time. Sherwood doesn't have that goodwill to step on. 

 

Even an improvement in results isn't going to change the perception of him that he creates every time he speaks.

Well according to the man himself an eventual improvement of results would be caused by stumbling on 11 players that might give a spark. Not really something to use in supporting his case for the long term future even if such a thing actually happens. 

[Villastine]

The fact is there are better managers available right now. Rodgers would be the perfect fit for us so an approach should be made.

Sam would improve us and as such can approach should be made.

Even if Tim improves in the job it is highly unlikely that he will be near as a good an option of either Rodgers or Big Sam

[Villastine]

The fact is there are better managers available right now. Rodgers would be the perfect fit for us so an approach should be made.

Sam would improve us and as such an approach should be made.

Even if Tim improves in the job it is highly unlikely that he will be near as good an option of either Rodgers or Big Sam

[GeordieVillan]

 

Sadly and I don't expect that to change any time soon.

Still, tactics knows he can turn it around and still has 24 saved formations on FM to try out so I'm sure it will be fine.

Its remarkable how quickly he has lost the fans, I just can't see a way back for him.

Even an improvement in results isn't going to change the perception of him that he creates every time he speaks.

There's definitely a way back for him. All he needs a couple of wins that bring us back into the mid-table pack and everything could and will look very different. If we were to somehow win 2 of the next 3 games for example, the pressure would ease significantly.

Its not great at the moment - but he's certainly not beyond redemption yet.

Can you really see us winning 2 of the next 3 games?

I think it's entirely possible that we'll be approaching December still on 4 points.

Its unlikely, but I'm just saying I don't think its at the point where there is no way back for him. He certainly hasn't burned his bridges - he's made some strange calls, people are seriously questioning him, but he's not overseen embarrassing collapses in individual games. The feeling at the moment is one of massive frustration, rather than one total lack of hope.

What if we win 1 and raw 2 of the next 3 games, I think people would feel differently then as well. There is loads of permutations of results in the next few games that could see him save himself and not look back.

It is still very early days, and while we are on a bad run, we've lost games at the margins, by one goal, and in each game things could easily have gone differently.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not saying we are going to go on an amazing run, I'm just saying its not impossible.

[GeordieVillan]

 

Sadly and I don't expect that to change any time soon.

Still, tactics knows he can turn it around and still has 24 saved formations on FM to try out so I'm sure it will be fine.

Its remarkable how quickly he has lost the fans, I just can't see a way back for him.

Even an improvement in results isn't going to change the perception of him that he creates every time he speaks.

There's definitely a way back for him. All he needs a couple of wins that bring us back into the mid-table pack and everything could and will look very different. If we were to somehow win 2 of the next 3 games for example, the pressure would ease significantly.

Its not great at the moment - but he's certainly not beyond redemption yet.

Can you really see us winning 2 of the next 3 games?

I think it's entirely possible that we'll be approaching December still on 4 points.

Absolutely, we could be going into the xmas fixtures 9 points adrift of 17th.

Yes that is also possible. It could go either way. Its unlikely, based on we've seen in the past 6-7 games that Sherwood can turn it around, but I would think he's going to have the next 2-3 games at least to do so, and its plausible that we could pick up some results.

[Tom13]

 

Its unlikely, but I'm just saying I don't think its at the point where there is no way back for him. He certainly hasn't burned his bridges - he's made some strange calls, people are seriously questioning him, but he's not overseen embarrassing collapses in individual games.

What about Leicester away?

[Grasshopper]

PL Chelsea 4/5/6/7/8/9-0 AV
PL AV 0-2 Swansea City

CC Southampton v AV free hit

PL Tottenham 3-0 AV
PL AV 0-4 Manchester City
PL Everton 2-0 AV

Do we really want this?

[Papillon]

I think we need to sack Tim Sherwood as soon as possible, the two week-window right now is perfect in that sense. The sooner the better, we will absolutely struggle with relegation if he continues to be in charge of this football club. There is no room for sentiment in football - that is when you are left with too little time to perform miracles.

I am all about giving people time to carve out results, like Liverpool should have done with Brendan Rodgers. They probably pulled the plug because they know they will get Jürgen Klopp, which will re-energize the whole fan base and city in two minutes. However, I am not willing to give Tim Sherwood any time because he is in my opinion not a good manager at all. He has done everything wrong over the summer, he has bought in a lot of players that are not going to perform in this league until they are settled - and that takes more than just a few months. When all of them are adapting together, it can create dramatic consequences and we are seeing them already now. We never deserved to win the first game and really could have been standing here with 1-2 points.

Team selection, tactics, purchases, motivational speeches,interviews, handling of the media - everything strikes me as irrational - it seems like he is playing Football Manager in real life. Sure Sherwood has experience as a (mediocre) footballer in the Premier League, but I see no substance from him and fear that we will go down when the season ends. Not only that, we will be down long before the season ends.

The quality of the Premier League is very high this year, everyone is beating each other - even the big teams - except for us and a few, selected others. Sunderland are crap, but they will get a new manager and some much-needed change, Newcastle will become better because they have a decent squad and spine. Over time I think they will develop a better system with their new manager and players, but I fear that we will not with Tim Sherwood. He is a fraud, someone who has talked his way into Tottenham and Villa because of his experience as a player - the right man at the right time so to speak. When he gets the sack from Villa, and I am 100% sure he will be sacked at some point, he will never get a job in this league again.

It's a tough decision to sack a manager - but it should not be tough to sack Tim Sherwood. He doesn't even have faith in himself, which should be enough to pull the plug. Get him out!

 

 

[Grasshopper]

Media W*nkfest on SSN about our future managers achievements, interviews & quotes from all and sundry who worked with him, know him or even ate a German sausage

 

oh they're talking about Liverpool

sorry my mistake

[markavfc40]

I am not sure where this impression comes from that he has lost most of the fans and that there is no way back for him. My feelings towards him are neutral in that I neither like or loathe him, I think he did well in the transfer window, has had a really poor start to the season and some of his decisions are baffling, but I also think it is early days to be making a judgement on if he should be sacked or not.

That is where I come from when  accessing his time here and what to do going forward but there is little doubt that a fair few of our fans never wanted him in the first place so with that in mind it was never going to take a lot for them to turn against him. I am not suggesting that 4 points from his first 8 games with his own squad should in any way be considered acceptable by the way.

Clearly the poll on here suggests that just under 80% of fans would like him out at the moment. However that doesn’t suggest that the majority think there is no way back for him. I don’t believe we have many fans who are that small minded that if over the next 10 games we mustered say 14 points that they would say ‘no after what happened at the start of the season I still want him gone’.

Up to this point at the games there has been no anti Sherwood chanting and I have heard nothing more than the odd bit of abuse shouted out in understandable frustration. That will change if results continue to be poor but I think most level headed supporters who haven’t got to the stage of foaming at the mouth in wanting him out know that there is zero chance of him being sacked now and that regardless of results, unless we are getting annihilated, then that situation is unlikely to change for at least another 2-3 games.

[useless]

There's no way back for him, unless he somehow miraculously turns into a good manager overnight.

[Nabby]

I think there is no way back because from the performances and results we have seen so far I simply can no see him turning that around with the fixtures we have upcoming , basically a very out of form Chelsea away looks are best bet.

If he turns it around gets a few wins then some of us now will look silly for worrying so early however I think given the end of last season , games this season and his weakness's at Spurs I just don't see it

[bobzy]

Clearly the poll on here suggests that just under 80% of fans would like him out at the moment. However that doesn’t suggest that the majority think there is no way back for him. I don’t believe we have many fans who are that small minded that if over the next 10 games we mustered say 14 points that they would say ‘no after what happened at the start of the season I still want him gone’.

 

I agree completely - if he turns results around, it will all be fine.  That's all, essentially, football fans care about.

4 wins and 2 draws out of our next 10 though?  Can you really see it?

It means we'd need to be getting at least 3 non-losses from: Chelsea (A), Swansea (H), Spurs (A), Man City (H), Everton (A), Southampton (A), Arsenal (H) and that assumes we're definitely winning against Watford (H), Newcastle (A) and West Ham (H).  It's a horrific run of fixtures.

I think Sherwood was unlucky at the start of the season that he had an "easy run" of fixtures because an entire (p. much) new team/squad will always take a bit of time to click.  I don't think he saw us doing this badly, though, and I'm not convinced he has any sort of plan to turn it around.  That's my concern - what the hell is the plan?!

[useless]

If we get a few wins it'll just be papering over the cracks, It won't make Sherwood a good manager all of a sudden.

[Marka Ragnos]

 

 

So...Rodgers, then? 

I wonder. I actually think Rodgers suffers from some of the same fundamental flaws -- a tough-talking public persona covering a lack of confidence and a habit of over-tinkering. I think Rodgers is more convincing though, and infinitely more dignified, let's face it.

[bobzy]

If we get a few wins it'll just be papering over the cracks, It won't make Sherwood a good manager all of a sudden.

I wouldn't care, if I'm honest.  I don't need a manager to "be good" if he's created a team that wins games.

Results are, for the most part, all that matters.  An attractive style of play is just a bonus.