The Tim Sherwood Thread

[AshVilla]

I don't think it was that great an achievement keeping us up last season, the FA cup run papered over his shortcomings for me. If there's no tangible improvement in the next 2 months his position should be questioned.

 

 

 

The way we ended the season has me concerned

We seem to have picked up where we left off since then 

The system were using isn't working and a change is needed i'd go with below formation for a few games see how it pans out

Bacuna and Amavi providing the width and players that can actually cross a ball unlike players such as Hutton who know's Gestede might actually score a header if he gets decent service. 

 

Edited September 20, 2015 by AshVilla

[Zatman]

If we sign Allardyce as manager that would probably be me gone as a caring Villa fan. Would be horrible to watch as bad as under Lambert

[GENTLEMAN]

Allardyce is finished as a top flight manager. Moyes may have a point to prove, but I think Vieira is the best option - given the make up of our squad and he comes across as a proper winner.

[Isa]

I don't think it was that great an achievement keeping us up last season, the FA cup run papered over his shortcomings for me. If there's no tangible improvement in the next 2 months his position should be questioned.

 

 

I think people forget the extent of the mess left behind by his imbecile of a predecessor. We were on course to break the record for fewest goals scored and didn't have the faintest idea how muster the most elementary approach for a game let alone win one. Credit where credit is due but regardless, short-term impact is not an indicator for the long-term. With his own players and a full preseason, this where Sherwood proves his credentials and so far it's not looking very good at all.

[turnbull]

Maybe after the two RWC games next week, Tim should get his hands on some of those "TRY" cards that the supporters hold up when one is scored, then Villa fans could use them to send a message to our players if we get any more games like yesterday.

[terrytini]

For me the ( huge ) level of criticism, panic, and concern, is unreasonable unfair and unwarranted.

Suddenly we are hearing that keeping us up wasn't much of an achievement, that we bought badly, that Amavi is a liability, that Gestede is useless, all on top of the recycled Spurs complaints of him being a " chancer" (?) and apparently being less tactically able than your average FM player.

Even worse the salvation is eitherAllerdyce or Moyes, or, for the next few weeks at least "a foreign manager" (the Bilic effect).

Only a matter of time before we suggest Curbishley as a safe pair of hands.

Particularly galling to me are those fans who (rightly IMO) rejected all that nonsense when we signed Lambert, correctly observing that we needed a guy who was up and coming, someone who would make his mark on the game WITH us, rather than us be the next stop on the Managers-Merry-Go-Round.........yet who now seem to want instant success.

Apparently the wise old Pulis showed the way yesterday.

Yes, if the way is practically unwatchable and got him one win out of three meetings against Sherwood ...?

Presumably we all recognise all that kept us up under Lambert was Tekkers goals. Presumably we all knew that would be hard to replace and require a more "team like" approach ?

Presumably we all knew it wouldn't be easy putting such a side together ? That top, or established, players might not see us a good idea ?

And that completely rebuilding a side in such circumstances wouldn't bring instant gratification ?

Not Leicester are we ? They've not been completely rebuilt and the manager they got rid of had his team performing well, unlike us.

Played well at times haven't we ? Yet I hear some say there is no difference between how we play now and last year. I'm baffled by that.

Sherwood deserved, and deserves, time, patience, and understanding. In my view the speed with which people have become so dissatisfied is the worst thing about the Club at the moment. 

Let's buy Barton, and employ Allerdyce, because if wed won against Leicester, as many think we ' should' have, and against the baggies, as many think we should, wed have 10 points and be 4th, because that's a fair expectation..??????....!!

[Zatman]

I have read some garbage on here but people saying it wasnt an achievement to keep us up are really talking rubbish

[Marka Ragnos]

For me the ( huge ) level of criticism, panic, and concern, is unreasonable unfair and unwarranted.

Suddenly we are hearing that keeping us up wasn't much of an achievement, that we bought badly, that Amavi is a liability, that Gestede is useless, all on top of the recycled Spurs complaints of him being a " chancer" (?) and apparently being less tactically able than your average FM player.

Even worse the salvation is eitherAllerdyce or Moyes, or, for the next few weeks at least "a foreign manager" (the Bilic effect).

Only a matter of time before we suggest Curbishley as a safe pair of hands. ...

 

Sherwood deserved, and deserves, time, patience, and understanding. In my view the speed with which people have become so dissatisfied is the worst thing about the Club at the moment. 

 

This. I, too, am nervously watching the water seep into the hull, and hoping that bump in the night wasn't an iceberg. Tues. will be a big day, methinks. 

Edited September 20, 2015 by Plastic Man

[bradarmstrong_]

I want him to do well and deliver what he said last season regarding us not being in a relegation battle. However in the new year if we're in the bottom 3 would Randy / Tom Fox get rid?  Sure Randy can't contemplate missing out on heaps of money from the new TV deal next season. 

[Isa]

Moyes is good, solid manager with a balanced tactical approach, positive youth policy and a reasonable strong scouting record. I'd welcome him with open arms if Sherwood proves to be a busted flush. 

 

Allardyce on the other hand...

[Dr_Pangloss]

If we sign Allardyce as manager that would probably be me gone as a caring Villa fan. Would be horrible to watch as bad as under Lambert

As opposed to the great stuff we're playing this season?

[foreveryoung]

If we lose aganst the Bloose on Tuesday, would it be unfair for fans to say they want him gone already. I know he needs time, but this is the premiership and if we don't start winning soon, we could be flapping in the bottom 3 already. Not the easiest of games coming up either.

What ive seen so far, I can only see us in the relegation zone by Christmas

[One For The Road]

We have played Bournemouth, Leicester, Crystal Palace, Sunderland and West Brom as well as home game against a bang average Man United side and we sit 4th bottom. After those fixtures that's unacceptable. He has wasted 20 million pounds on Gestede and Ayew and has absolutely no tactical awareness as the subs lat week and this week showed. 

It's only going to get worse with the fixtures coming up and I can't see anything but relegation if Tim stays in charge all season. As I said in the post March thread, we are not in a position as a club to have a trainee manager learning the ropes when we are sinking the way we are. Sherwood should have learnt his trade at a club like MK Dons or Brentford  not at Aston Villa. Selling Benteke and giving the money we got from the sale to a manager who had NEVER bought a player before is just madness.

Edited September 20, 2015 by One For The Road

[VillanousOne]

If we lose aganst the Bloose on Tuesday, would it be unfair for fans to say they want him gone already. I know he needs time, but this is the premiership and if we don't start winning soon, we could be flapping in the bottom 3 already. Not the easiest of games coming up either.

What ive seen so far, I can only see us in the relegation zone by Christmas

Losing three derbies (if you can count Leicester) in a row would see one almighty backlash against Sherwood and the club in general, our confidence would also be at it's lowest since Sherwood joined, since the loss to Southampton and in the Cup Final.

Edited September 20, 2015 by VillanousOne

[Arj Guy]

1 point from 4 against Sunderland, Palace, Leicester and WBA. Throwing points away on multiple occasions and having nobody who is going to score us the 10-15 goals that we need to stay up. Gabby Agbonlahor is our best striker. What is there to worry about?

[tylerreznik]

Sorry not buying the 'he needs time' line.  I would if he had a plan or had implemented a real change in ethos and style of play which players were taking time to adapt to, or if we'd been unlucky etc, or if he were blooding a bunch of kids who needed to grow in confidence etc.  

Honestly what is going to change with time?  He's exhausted the 'new manager' jump in form last season.  He isn't learning or maturing from a tactical perspective.  He appears to be incredibly stubborn in terms of team selection and using his subs, the longer that goes on for the less chance there is of players outside the first XI ever make an impact as they become disillusioned.  Short of injuries our first XI and formation is becoming incredibly predictable, just too easy for well drilled teams to prepare against us.

I'm also not convinced by Richards as Captain either, though probably not many alternatives, but we are really lacking a Melberg, Laurson, even Taylor type player who can lift and drive the team.

I really just don't think he is cut out to be a manager full stop.  Good coach yes, but I'm starting to think players don't have enough respect for him and that is starting to show in their performances.  Time will tell no doubt, but really how much time do we give a guy with little over a years management experience given our desperate situation?

[vandaq]

So much hyperbole on this forum imo. Understand the frustration and I'm really disappointed too, but I do think we have much more capable players now than we have had in a couple of seasons.

I cannot dispute that he messed up on strikers. I originally wanted Austin but the current lot is kinda baffling, specially when Ayew isn't really playing. But I really hate how there is not a singe inch of patience anymore. And I get why, I'm just sick of it.

 

Fed up of this tripe that is aston villa, fed up of reading the same **** on here.

[Isa]

If we lose aganst the Bloose on Tuesday, would it be unfair for fans to say they want him gone already. I know he needs time, but this is the premiership and if we don't start winning soon, we could be flapping in the bottom 3 already. Not the easiest of games coming up either.

What ive seen so far, I can only see us in the relegation zone by Christmas

I feel it would be unfair, yes, because in principle it's too early into the season. However if he does lose on Tuesday, then I don't see him ever really recovering from that with many of the fans. Even if they don't immediately turn on the back of the game, it will pave the ground for a crowd backlash if bad results continue over next couple of home games. 

[Dodgyknees]

So much hyperbole on this forum imo. Understand the frustration and I'm really disappointed too, but I do think we have much more capable players now than we have had in a couple of seasons.

I cannot dispute that he messed up on strikers. I originally wanted Austin but the current lot is kinda baffling, specially when Ayew isn't really playing. But I really hate how there is not a singe inch of patience anymore. And I get why, I'm just sick of it.

 

Fed up of this tripe that is aston villa, fed up of reading the same **** on here.

Why is it hyperbole? We've won 1 in 6, lost points against teams because the manager made mistakes. How and why is it hyperbole to be unhappy with that? I'd suggest your post is hyperbole. This is a results game.

[HanoiVillan]

So much hyperbole on this forum imo. Understand the frustration and I'm really disappointed too, but I do think we have much more capable players now than we have had in a couple of seasons.

I cannot dispute that he messed up on strikers. I originally wanted Austin but the current lot is kinda baffling, specially when Ayew isn't really playing. But I really hate how there is not a singe inch of patience anymore. And I get why, I'm just sick of it.

 

Fed up of this tripe that is aston villa, fed up of reading the same **** on here.

Why is it hyperbole? We've won 1 in 6, lost points against teams because the manager made mistakes. How and why is it hyperbole to be unhappy with that? I'd suggest your post is hyperbole. This is a results game.

Exactly. We're currently on relegation form and are now heading into the most difficult period of fixtures of the whole season. I mean, I wish I could share the sanguine attitudes of some on here, but I can't, I am worried.