GeordieVillan Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 This 'Managing Villa is a bad job, nobody would want it' is media fed bollox, look at the facts Lambert was the Premier Leagues second longest serving manager with the poorest record of them all. Villa is an excellent opportunity for a good manager, they will be given time by the owner and the fans, unlike 90% of other premier league teams, money may be tight but the squad we have is strong and has been for years. If a manager isn't good enough to get the most from the opportunity they have been given, to manage Villa, then they have destroyed their own career's. Agree to an extent - but you can't argue with the fact that not many managers leave Villa to go on to bigger and better things (maybe only GT leaving for England), and not many actually go on to achieve anything of any significance. Villa is the door to career suicide....its not appealing to successful established managers, its only appealing to those who are stepping up from lower leagues, or to those who have nothing to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 It seems like people don't like Sherwood as a personality but are ignoring his ability as a manager, or neither. My opinion is he comes across as a bell end but he did a decent job at Spurs and had a impressive win rate, but wasn't Hollywood enough for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 This 'Managing Villa is a bad job, nobody would want it' is media fed bollox, look at the facts Lambert was the Premier Leagues second longest serving manager with the poorest record of them all. Villa is an excellent opportunity for a good manager, they will be given time by the owner and the fans, unlike 90% of other premier league teams, money may be tight but the squad we have is strong and has been for years. If a manager isn't good enough to get the most from the opportunity they have been given, to manage Villa, then they have destroyed their own career's. Agree to an extent - but you can't argue with the fact that not many managers leave Villa to go on to bigger and better things (maybe only GT leaving for England), and not many actually go on to achieve anything of any significance. Villa is the door to career suicide....its not appealing to successful established managers, its only appealing to those who are stepping up from lower leagues, or to those who have nothing to lose. The Doc managed Scotland and Man U after us so he was an exception, Graham Turner had some success at other clubs, but generally its true. I think most people find it a very tough job mentally and are normally burnt out afterwards. This happened to Little and Gregory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Very interested in the historical perspective ... For those of you who have been on VillaTalk a long time, is this thread's apparent lack of unanimity -- I mean, it's all over the place in terms of names -- typical with a manager sacking? Was there more unanimity when Lambert was hired? MON? Macleish? Are we being especially far-ranging in tossing names around this time? This the start of the thread for when Houllier left, I think there are another three parts to it. And there's probably the more recent Lambert thread somewhere on here. Interesting to see the names that were in favour back then but not so much these days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingsombrero Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Very interested in the historical perspective ... For those of you who have been on VillaTalk a long time, is this thread's apparent lack of unanimity -- I mean, it's all over the place in terms of names -- typical with a manager sacking? Was there more unanimity when Lambert was hired? MON? Macleish? Are we being especially far-ranging in tossing names around this time? when McLeish left it was very much certain to be Lambert. but HOullier and McLeish appointments we didnt really seem to have much of a clue and just said names from Solskjaer to Ancelotti Solskjaer was the same summer as the Lambert appointment - VT caused his odds to crash after Trees told us that Randy flew to Norway. We also watched an internet stream of a Norwegian league match together. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 12, 2015 Moderator Share Posted February 12, 2015 Sorry but what's wrong with Sherwood? He got the best out of Adebayor and I think he would do the same with Benteke. At the worst he would motivate the players and keep us up. What we don't need right now is a good coach.This post sums it up nicely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieVillan Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Very interested in the historical perspective ... For those of you who have been on VillaTalk a long time, is this thread's apparent lack of unanimity -- I mean, it's all over the place in terms of names -- typical with a manager sacking? Was there more unanimity when Lambert was hired? MON? Macleish? Are we being especially far-ranging in tossing names around this time? This the start of the thread for when Houllier left, I think there are another three parts to it. And there's probably the more recent Lambert thread somewhere on here. Interesting to see the names that were in favour back then but not so much these days Looking back at this, I wish we had gone for Mark Hughes rather than Lambert....I'm sure he would have come to us then.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 It's funny actually how much of an affect we've probably had on the betting market. I know quite a few people made money off of the Houllier appointment, while Betfair probably made money off of us because loads of people started laying McLeish after MM's infamous "McLeish won't be appointed" comment and then we almost won a ton of money from OGS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 On page 111 of that link I just posted there's a post expressing concerns at the links with Ancelotti because of him not having a very good reputation with bringing through the youth. Then we went and got Mcleish lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Very interested in the historical perspective ... For those of you who have been on VillaTalk a long time, is this thread's apparent lack of unanimity -- I mean, it's all over the place in terms of names -- typical with a manager sacking? Was there more unanimity when Lambert was hired? MON? Macleish? Are we being especially far-ranging in tossing names around this time? This the start of the thread for when Houllier left, I think there are another three parts to it. And there's probably the more recent Lambert thread somewhere on here. Interesting to see the names that were in favour back then but not so much these days Looking back at this, I wish we had gone for Mark Hughes rather than Lambert....I'm sure he would have come to us then.... Didn't we back off because of the way he left Fulham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Very interested in the historical perspective ... For those of you who have been on VillaTalk a long time, is this thread's apparent lack of unanimity -- I mean, it's all over the place in terms of names -- typical with a manager sacking? Was there more unanimity when Lambert was hired? MON? Macleish? Are we being especially far-ranging in tossing names around this time? This the start of the thread for when Houllier left, I think there are another three parts to it. And there's probably the more recent Lambert thread somewhere on here. Interesting to see the names that were in favour back then but not so much these days Looking back at this, I wish we had gone for Mark Hughes rather than Lambert....I'm sure he would have come to us then.... Didn't we back off because of the way he left Fulham? Yes, for McLeish who did the same thing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted February 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Sorry but what's wrong with Sherwood? He got the best out of Adebayor and I think he would do the same with Benteke. At the worst he would motivate the players and keep us up. What we don't need right now is a good coach. Adebayor and Benteke seem SO different to me as players and as personalities. I don't see much in common between them at all. Benteke seems truly to be suffering a crisis of confidence. He used to be so precise and graceful. To me, Adebayor is less cerebral, less sensitive. Edited February 12, 2015 by Shifted To Neutral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Yeah, but that was in 2011. Around the time Lambert was appointed Hughes was at QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 We've been so bad so long, there should be names drawn up, and maybe even talked to already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 looking at odds on paddy power now and not a list of what you call "great" candidates. bit far out but Christopher Galtier could be a shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted February 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 12, 2015 This 'Managing Villa is a bad job, nobody would want it' is media fed bollox, look at the facts Lambert was the Premier Leagues second longest serving manager with the poorest record of them all. Villa is an excellent opportunity for a good manager, they will be given time by the owner and the fans, unlike 90% of other premier league teams, money may be tight but the squad we have is strong and has been for years. If a manager isn't good enough to get the most from the opportunity they have been given, to manage Villa, then they have destroyed their own career's. Agree to an extent - but you can't argue with the fact that not many managers leave Villa to go on to bigger and better things (maybe only GT leaving for England), and not many actually go on to achieve anything of any significance. Villa is the door to career suicide....its not appealing to successful established managers, its only appealing to those who are stepping up from lower leagues, or to those who have nothing to lose. The Doc managed Scotland and Man U after us so he was an exception, Graham Turner had some success at other clubs, but generally its true. I think most people find it a very tough job mentally and are normally burnt out afterwards. This happened to Little and Gregory. How many managers of similar teams go on to better things, David Moyes Everton to Manure? Can't think of many more. Fact is, Lerner doesn't sack managers without a very good reason, he gives them the best chance to succeed in the League, to date, but they still have to perform, if they don't then they have to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 McLaren's ruled himself out. Described Villa as a 'sleeping giant' but says he won't be leaving Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben1505 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 It will just be Paul Lambert's luck that Villa get sold and the new manager will get loads of cash to spend. I hope for Lamberts sake that he gets to prove himself at a club with an owner that cares.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Any news? We have a cup tie this weekend which I'd very much like to see us win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 On page 111 of that link I just posted there's a post expressing concerns at the links with Ancelotti because of him not having a very good reputation with bringing through the youth. Then we went and got Mcleish lol. Can you please advise whether you have, in fact, just read 111 pages of that thread today? Curious and concerned minds want to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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