Dr_Pangloss Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Just now, chrisp65 said: .....followed by 75,000,000 Turks walking to Greece..... ...and that won't end well either, the Greeks hate them, and rightfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 24, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2015 Don't the Turks use Greece airspace all the time? Sure I read that somewhere, seems a little OTT of Turkey to shoot down the Russian plane/jet... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Just now, PieFacE said: Don't the Turks use Greece airspace all the time? Sure I read that somewhere, seems a little OTT of Turkey to shoot down the Russian plane/jet... That's absolutely true, they always abuse Greek airspace. They've really badly **** up here and I can't wait to see Russia's response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Turkish media having a field day with this...yet nothing (unless someone can show me) nothing in their media about HDP leader Demirtas and his attempted assasination. The whole country is wobbling like a house of cards, made out of crepe paper. Erdogan will sit silently, whilst the white Turk media froth up a storm...then he'll accuse them all of treason. He'll then promptly walk in and take them all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 8 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: .....followed by 75,000,000 Turks walking to Greece..... 45,000,000 Height adjusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 World War 3 is close. Fear we are heading that way and soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 24, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2015 25 minutes ago, DK82 said: World War 3 is close. Fear we are heading that way and soon. I think it started some time ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Putin labels Turkey as 'accomplices to terrorists' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 The world is a **** up place. Too much greed, too many people killing others. We're in a bad place right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) As well as shooting down the plane, there are reports that Turkmen militants shot the crew as they were parachuting down, and have the bodies. That's a **** war crime. Time to wipe those villages off the map. Edited November 24, 2015 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Aren't Turkey a NATO country? What would happen with NATO if Russia attacked Turkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) 9 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Aren't Turkey a NATO country? What would happen with NATO if Russia attacked Turkey? Not much. I have a feeling they'd be left to get on with it. NATO won't square off openly against the Russians over something so trivial as Turkey EDIT - Thanks Hitz. Brain fart. Edited November 24, 2015 by Eames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 1 minute ago, Eames said: Not much. I have a feeling they'd be left to get on with it. NATO won't square off openly against the Russians over something so trivial as Turkey. Fixed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 3 minutes ago, Eames said: Not much. I have a feeling they'd be left to get on with it. As per the other thread, that would signal the end of NATO, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2015 12 minutes ago, Eames said: Not much. I have a feeling they'd be left to get on with it. NATO won't square off openly against the Russians over something so trivial as Turkey NATO countries are legally bound to go to the aid of other NATO members if they are attacked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 3 minutes ago, blandy said: NATO countries are legally bound to go to the aid of other NATO members if they are attacked. I'd say shooting down a Russian plane could be seen as an act of aggression on Turkey's side. I have no idea if the NATO charter applies to wars of aggression as well as in the event of attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 What if the NATO nation is being a knob? Can't they get the boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Not really that simple when you factor in the US airbases in Turkey. Not something you give up lightly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2015 27 minutes ago, Eames said: I'd say shooting down a Russian plane could be seen as an act of aggression on Turkey's side. I have no idea if the NATO charter applies to wars of aggression as well as in the event of attack. I agree. The plane was inside Turkish airspace. Russia had previously been told to stop flying in Turkey's airspace (their ambassador was summoned to tell him exactly that). The plane was warned multiple times to get out of Turkish airspace. Then it was shot down. That's not me taking sides, just saying what appears to be now established fact. Nevertheless, Turkey is being used for the smuggling of Daesh oil. Turkey supports islamic terrorists. It's not a good mix. Russia I think knows their plane was where it should not have been and they've not called it an act of aggression by Turkey, which is a good sign. I suspect there will be much sounding off all round, and that the Russians will stop flying into Turkish airspace. I also suspect that NATO countries will underline Turkey's right to protect its airspace while having a word about other of their actions. My comment on the charter was in relation to people saying Russia would now open a can of whoop ass on 'em - they won't because the charter means that if they did we'd have full on war, and neither side wants that. It wasn't to do with the shot down plane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 My bad Blandy. Didn't get the context. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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