Chindie Posted March 29, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 29, 2016 6 minutes ago, choffer said: Again, too early to tell if it's "terror" but reports of Capitol Hill/Whitehouse being on lock-down because of a shooting this morning. Depends. It could be considered terrorism, dependant on what actually happened. But the bloke that did it is a 66 year old pastor from Tennessee who had a history of disrupting Congress. Seems he flipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted March 29, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 29, 2016 1 minute ago, Chindie said: Depends. It could be considered terrorism, dependant on what actually happened. But the bloke that did it is a 66 year old pastor from Tennessee who had a history of disrupting Congress. Seems he flipped. Ah, it's older news than I was initially led to believe. Thanks for the heads-up. As it's in the US, I'm sure they'll be able to use it as a reason to strengthen their anti-terror laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted March 29, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2016 Christian terrrrrists again, eh? Ban them from entering America. Oh wait. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 19 hours ago, chrisp65 said: Don't push your agenda about prisoners on to me, thanks. There's a decent point to be made about prisons. But again, do some basic research. There are over 84,000 people in UK prisons at present. less than 13,000 of them identify as muslim. It's a big and disproportionate number, but it ain't 40%, it's not even 20%, it's about 15%. Too high. Just out of interest, why are you concerned about 'pushing' this? Do you doubt it or feel that the stats are skewed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, veloman said: Just out of interest, why are you concerned about 'pushing' this? Do you doubt it or feel that the stats are skewed ? What? He was only responding that the stats that ROTTERDAM posted (40% of prisoners in UK jails are Muslim) are wrong. He used the word 'push' as ROTTERDAM brought up prisons and prisoners. Unless there's another point you're making that I've missed. Edited March 29, 2016 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I perceived 'push' to be a fairly emotive word but perhaps I was mistaken and, indeed, it is not significant that a disproportionate number of prisoners are muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 25 minutes ago, veloman said: Just out of interest, why are you concerned about 'pushing' this? Do you doubt it or feel that the stats are skewed ? I was feeling irritable. The figure quoted was wrong, 40% of all prisoners are not muslim. That's not true and it can be easily proven it's not true. But it's a 'fact' I've seen and heard many people using and there is a risk it is becoming accepted as true. Somebody somewhere is pushing it, peddling it, spreading it. I guess it's been on facebook or something and people are just happy to pass it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Oh agreed, you are dead right; not 40% at all but still high and what I found interesting when I worked in a YOI was that there was only one Indian (a Sikh) out of 600, who was in for involvement in an 'honour' killing, so not a racial issue. 'Honour killing' - now there's an oxymoron if you like ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Sorry Chris, I didn't mean to speak for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 40% sounds wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if the number of Muslims coming out of prison is higher than the number that go in. I read that they are abandoning the idea of separating out extremists in different prisons, as they've found that whilst it would be harder for them to organise attacks, other prisoners are vulnerable to being converted and radicalised due to things on offer such as protection and a sense of belonging you'd get in any other gang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brumerican Posted March 29, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2016 “Hey, you know, one in two kids born in Britain today is called Mohammad. And that’s just the girls. (TRAILING OFF) I’ve not got the exact figures.” 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted March 29, 2016 Administrator Share Posted March 29, 2016 4 hours ago, choffer said: Again, too early to tell if it's "terror" but reports of Capitol Hill/Whitehouse being on lock-down because of a shooting this morning. Which EU country is this in and what does it have to do with ISIS? Or are you in the wrong thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted March 29, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, limpid said: Which EU country is this in and what does it have to do with ISIS? Or are you in the wrong thread? Quite possibly in the wrong head when I posted this morning, let alone the wrong thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) could I just get a selfie here.... Edited March 29, 2016 by chrisp65 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 5 hours ago, Chindie said: Depends. It could be considered terrorism, dependant on what actually happened. But the bloke that did it is a 66 year old pastor from Tennessee who had a history of disrupting Congress. Seems he flipped. Just a mentally disturbed lone wolf then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: Just a mentally disturbed lone wolf then. yup, white guys don't do the terrorism 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 29, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: Just a mentally disturbed lone wolf then. My initial reaction, not knowing the full story, it doesn't sound like a terrorist incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 29, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, villakram said: yup, white guys don't do the terrorism I can kinda see the point you're making, but the IRA, Breivik and Timothy McVeigh, amongst others, kinda undermine it to the extent it's groundless. Edited March 29, 2016 by Chindie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Chindie said: I can kinda see the point you're making, but the IRA, Breivik and Timothy McVeigh, amongst others, kinda undermine it to the extent it's groundless. Exactly. I guess it might be more difficult to see my point as clearly, if you don't live over here. I mean there was a guy who flew a bloody plane into a government building a couple of yrs back (only the IRS mind), and there was hardly a peep. It was quickly listed a just a "regular" crime. In contrast, if you have walked near to some pigment recently and then commit a crime... See also the case of the guy who shot up an abortion clinic recently and the efforts to avoid the terrorism angle, depressing! IRA: Leprechaun freedom fighters or some other way to pretend they were not terrorists. Breivik: Nazi, ends discussion. McVeigh: errr.... uhhh, ISIS, ISIS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 The Capitol Hill bloke sounds like another religious maniac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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