Dodgyknees Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 We need a Sigurdsson type in our midfield, not another workhorse like Cleverley, we have enough of them. Glyfi as we saw today chips in with goals and can link attack from midfield. I suppose he was only going to go to Swansea when they were interested but he only cost them 7m so these playmakers don't all cost 15-20m. Sigurdsson is the player I wanted during the summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 To be honest, I'd rather we go in for Hoolahan again instead of signing Cleverley. He is a neat player, but literally offers nothing to the team productively. We need someone who can pick up the ball from Sanchez and Westwood, drive forward, and either play in Cissokho/Hutton behind the defence, or play one of our front trio into good positions. For £8m, we could pick up someone similar to Coutinho who we were once linked with. I'm sure Lambert will attempt to get someone like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Hoolahan is 33 and dosen't play every week for Norwich. Lambert will be scrapeing the barrel big time if that's his Grant Holt esque signing. He should've just gone back in for Kioyatke, he only cost Hannover about 3m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Hoolahan ain't started the last five for Norwich. Anyway back to Cleverley, one thing I'm disappointed with him is the lack of goals. He chipped in with a few for Man. United and at Wigan and we are desperately short of them in central midfield and that has been consistant in Lambert's time here. I thought even if he was average in most areas of the midfield game, Cleverley would be like Sidwell and at least score some goals now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Hoolahan is 33 and dosen't play every week for Norwich. Lambert will be scrapeing the barrel big time if that's his Grant Holt esque signing. He should've just gone back in for Kioyatke, he only cost Hannover about 3m. Hoolahan ain't started the last five for Norwich. Anyway back to Cleverley, one thing I'm disappointed with him is the lack of goals. He chipped in with a few for Man. United and at Wigan and we are desperately short of them in central midfield and that has been consistant in Lambert's time here. I thought even if he was average in most areas of the midfield game, Cleverley would be like Sidwell and at least score some goals now and again. I'm just saying that's how much I wouldn't want us to sign Cleverley :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Fair enough chap. You're correct certainly we need to sign a creative midfield player instead of Cleverley but not Hoolahan please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Lambert probably has someone lined up, but as he's been saying all along if it makes financial sense 'for the long term' then they'll be able to sanction a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villianusa Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 He's not performing at the level he can, and at the moment it's not good enough to move us forward, but will keep us where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrim Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I wonder why he was on the left today with Delph on the right. He looks right footed to me but always seems to be on the left. I'd much prefer Delph on the left because it suits him better. If someone is going to be out of position I'd prefer it to be Cleverley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 (edited) My bet Everton fans won't even want him come next summer Edited December 26, 2014 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Offers zero creativity and can't pass the ball forward, remind me, why are there people on here who want us to spend £8m on him again? Has been explained over and over again. He was very poor yesterday. Couldn't get the basics right, very disappointing after I stuck my oar in defending him! I'd drop him right now if we had a decent enough option. Expect more from him tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Actually, he was scouted as a replacement for Joe Allen who they sold for big money and was their best player. Not a punt, just to fill the squad as you put it. No he wasn't, Ki Sung-yueng was. So only one player is scouted as a possible replacement? Ki-Sung Yeung was the actual replacement as it turns out yes, but that doesn't mean other options weren't explored. Here are articles linking Westwood to Swansea as a replacement for Joe Allen. Swansea Look for £2m Crewe Skipper Ashley Westwood as Replacement for Joe Allen Swansea to Make Bid for Crewe's Westwood The 22-year old is being targeted as a potential replacement for Joe Allen who left earlier this summer for Liverpool. Brum Mail He is also believed to attracted interest from Swansea who had lined him up as a replacement for Joe Allen who left to join Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Sorry, I read your post as they wanted him as Allen's direct replacement rather than with a view that he could perhaps develop into that in the long-term. So I don't really see what was incorrect about my initial statement. He would've been a cheap punt and been a squad player at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 That is what I meant, and I'm not sure how those articles I quoted indicate that Westwood was scouted as a long-term replacement rather than an immediate one? What might have put them off of getting the deal done might have been that he wouldn't hit the ground running, but surely that gives credence to the idea that he was to be a direct replacement? If he was just a cheap punt/squad filler then they would have finalized the deal instead of pulling out, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Decent player, but £8m we can spend elsewhere in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 That is what I meant, and I'm not sure how those articles I quoted indicate that Westwood was scouted as a long-term replacement rather than an immediate one? They don't indicate either way but the reality is that Ki was already signed as their record transfer (at the time) and himself touted as Allen's replacement. What might have put them off of getting the deal done might have been that he wouldn't hit the ground running, but surely that gives credence to the idea that he was to be a direct replacement? If he was just a cheap punt/squad filler then they would have finalized the deal instead of pulling out, no? That is purely speculative so I couldn't say. My assumption would be that if they viewed him as such an important signing then they would've done everything to finalise it. Saying this, do we know for sure that they pulled out? This James Nursey article claims otherwise:Big and beautiful: Westwood happy he joined Villa and not Swansea 13 September 2012 10:30 PM James Nursey The former Crewe star could have been lining up for the Welsh side at Villa Park this weekend but size of club swung it Aston Villa new boy Ashley Westwood insists he was right to snub high-flying Swansea for a bigger club. ... The 22-year-old was expected to sign for the Welsh club, but Villa stepped in on deadline day to snap him up from Crewe for £2million. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-ashley-westwood-happy-1323316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) Played with defending in mind. Much better player with Man U as defending was not his priority, as with most players in our team. If attacking was a priority of our midfield, we would create far more chances. To me defending is 70% of our game, attacking is 30%, explains it really. Edited December 27, 2014 by foreveryoung 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I've given him a chance (even though I have never rated him) but he just doesn't cut it. I'd like to look at other options with that 8m, if it still exists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Offers zero creativity and can't pass the ball forward, remind me, why are there people on here who want us to spend £8m on him again? Has been explained over and over again. He was very poor yesterday. Couldn't get the basics right, very disappointing after I stuck my oar in defending him! I'd drop him right now if we had a decent enough option. Expect more from him tomorrow. About the 'best' rationale I've seen on here is that he's necessary for the 'squad', which really isn't a good explanation at all for that outlay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 If we didn't have Westwood we'd probably be up for this signing and think its an important part of our midfield. But even though I'm not a huge Westwood fan, cleverley hasn't offered anything that he doesn't already give us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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