The Careers/Jobs thread

[KenjiOgiwara]

Would you guys switch jobs for the exact same pay with easier commute? I am not sure I would. I have always been thinking I need at least 20% pay increase for the risk of switching out stability of one job with another. Maybe I am a bit greedy on this. 

[Stevo985]

3 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

Would you guys switch jobs for the exact same pay with easier commute? I am not sure I would. I have always been thinking I need at least 20% pay increase for the risk of switching out stability of one job with another. Maybe I am a bit greedy on this. 

Would be completely dependent on a number of factors

What's the company like? What's the potential for progression like? What are the people like? What would the stress levels be like?

Ultimately, what's the job like?

 

I wouldn't quit a job I enjoy to go to a job I wouldn't enjoy just for an easier commute.

[Xela]

Yeah its a difficult decision. If you really enjoy your job then the risk of moving to another one that you may not like as much for the same bunce (or even more) is a risk. Even if it saves you a commute. We spend a lot of time at work so to find something you like is a huge thing. 

3 people left our sales team a coupe of years ago (all moved internally to different parts of the organisation) - 1 enjoys her new role so much and says its the best move she ever made, the other 2 despise their new role and would crawl back to their old jobs. 

My job, at times, is hugely stressful but I like the people I work with. Plus I get to WFH when I need. While I don't want to be doing the same job in 5 years time, I need to be careful in choosing my next role.

[StefanAVFC]

Not me, but my mrs and something annoying me deeply.

We work in the same company. She is a few steps behind me.

She has been in her role 6 months and she was encouraged to apply for a promotion as she did very well immediately. She applied, passed and was super happy about it. 5 weeks later, she found out nothing about her new salary. She asks her manager who tells her she'll need to take a pay cut to be promoted.

(Using fake numbers) At the moment,  her basic salary is 10 and she uses French and receives 2.5 for that. Her salary for new role will be 11.5 but she'll lose the 2.5

She's very annoyed that 1) she'll need to take a cut to get promoted and 2) nobody told her about it before she applied or when she got the job. 

I was a Team Manager previously managing people in her position, promoting people in her position. My guys earned 10 + 3 language bonus. I used to personally write justifications for them to keep it so they would get more money so I know it can be done.

She even told me that she will use French in her new role as backup, and with customer from French speaking countries and he flat out told her not to speak French and if anyone speaks French to her, then he needs to tell him.

She likes the job but she's so tempted to resign. It's difficult for me too. It's not my Line of Business anymore but I'm fairly high up within the business so it's hard to keep my mouth shut.

 

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said:

Not me, but my mrs and something annoying me deeply.

We work in the same company. She is a few steps behind me.

She has been in her role 6 months and she was encouraged to apply for a promotion as she did very well immediately. She applied, passed and was super happy about it. 5 weeks later, she found out nothing about her new salary. She asks her manager who tells her she'll need to take a pay cut to be promoted.

(Using fake numbers) At the moment,  her basic salary is 10 and she uses French and receives 2.5 for that. Her salary for new role will be 11.5 but she'll lose the 2.5

She's very annoyed that 1) she'll need to take a cut to get promoted and 2) nobody told her about it before she applied or when she got the job. 

I was a Team Manager previously managing people in her position, promoting people in her position. My guys earned 10 + 3 language bonus. I used to personally write justifications for them to keep it so they would get more money so I know it can be done.

She even told me that she will use French in her new role as backup, and with customer from French speaking countries and he flat out told her not to speak French and if anyone speaks French to her, then he needs to tell him.

She likes the job but she's so tempted to resign. It's difficult for me too. It's not my Line of Business anymore but I'm fairly high up within the business so it's hard to keep my mouth shut.

 

I'm my wife's direct line manager and this stuff is super hard, but obviously you shouldn't say anything or use any improper influence or do anything at all really. 

I'm sure you have your own perspective on it, but generally speaking I would strongly recommend everyone not to work with their partner. 

[StefanAVFC]

11 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

I'm my wife's direct line manager and this stuff is super hard, but obviously you shouldn't say anything or use any improper influence or do anything at all really. 

I'm sure you have your own perspective on it, but generally speaking I would strongly recommend everyone not to work with their partner. 

We are in different offices in different cities in different lines of business.

I've given her advice on who to approach and what to say.

I'm more annoyed at her management team who are stating there's nothing they can do when I know for a fact from experience, that there is.

[Davkaus]

13 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

I'm my wife's direct line manager

Appraisals must be interesting!

[Stevo985]

19 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

I'm my wife's direct line manager

I'm surprised that's even allowed to be honest.

Wouldn't be in our company. It's not explicitly forbidden or anything, but they'll move people around so they don't work directly with their partners.

[mikeyp102]

On 15/05/2019 at 15:49, Davkaus said:

Appraisals must be interesting!

Lee Evans did a sketch years ago about being self employed and asking for a pay rise from your boss (himself). It then went on to “the employee” having an affair with the bosses wife. 

 

I know your post isn’t actually about what I’ve put, but for some resin I thought instantly of that.

[wazzap24]

On 16/05/2019 at 11:26, Stevo985 said:

I'm surprised that's even allowed to be honest.

It shouldn’t be allowed.

I’ve seen it (twice) in my company, where a team manager is banging a head of department/director.

One was direct report and one in a different area of the business. 

It causes problems (even if the people concerned won’t admit it) and they (the one’s banging the overlords) get away with stuff they shouldn’t, because other managers are worried about the reaction and their careers. 

It’s impossible to stop as you can’t help who you fall for, but all workplaces should have some kind of plan to deal with it and it should absolutely never be allowed for direct reports. 

Edited May 18, 2019 by wazzap24

[A'Villan]

My units of study for uni at the moment are Psychology, Sociology and Respnse to Critical Incidents and Crisis.

Well, we had an incident at work not so long ago which put the understanding of all three to the test, an incident wouldn't give due context, this was a dilemma.

Once a fortnight I team up with a not-for-profit organisation that runs youth programs and we put on an afternoon of basketball for the commission flat kids.

These flats are not very pleasant. They are downright dangerous if you just happen to misstep.

Whilst it's up to the tenant to take care of their own flat, the outer sections are derelict, covered in graffiti, loitered by drug users waiting to score, poo is often found in the corridors..

You get the idea. It's not an affluent, well-to-do part of the neighbourhood.

The kids we deal with, their parents are often incarcerated or substance affected, even when it's not that bad, it's pretty challenging as they are generally doing it rough in some way.

So another afternoon of basketball seems to be going successfully, everyone's involved and engaged and the pushing of boundaries and what's acceptable kept to a minimum.

Until a fight between two of our boys breaks out and it's a proper fist fight, and we're in trouble because not only do the other boys egg them on to go at it..

Only one of the boys involved listens to instruction from us guys "running the show", the other boy is inconsolable and starts making claims that he is going to stab the other.

Then the boy who is off chops' mother arrives. What does she do? She put him in a choke hold (I've spent some time in martial arts and she knew what she was doing)..

So she's trying to subdue him that way, telling him, "I'll put you to sleep if you don't chill" and he then starts claiming that he's going to stab his mother.

I'm completely of the mind that this could of and should have been handled better than it was by the team leaders. I ask my superior what I should do..

I'm told, "nothing, it's his Mum". We simply pack up and call the event off early.

I won't bore you much longer, so the incident report comes along and we debrief as a team.

I am simply disappointed with the feedback from the team. The kid who lost his cool is thrown under the bus, despite being on the receiving end of the first punch thrown.

He's also far less popular than the other kid, for whatever reason, but it was apparent that one kid would be almost appraised despite throwing the first punch. The other, the villain.

When the report was being written up by the operations manager and the youth manager, the mother of 'cool' kid was present..

Well, she was sympathetic to the situation of the other kid and his mother trying to stop him, as long as it served to paint her own boy as the lesser of the evils.

This women didn't even see what happened and is allowed to chime in and influence the report writing process.. Completely unprofessional.

Ultimately resulting in a young man who already goes without being banned from the program, instead of an approach that gets the real gist of what transpired and why.

I have a lot of time for community and social work, I do these basketball programs for free. But I was truly disappointed with the standards in dealing with this incident.

Should I bring it up with management?

 

 

[A'Villan]

On 24/04/2019 at 19:10, Stevo985 said:

Same.

I'd love to do it myself I've just never found that golden idea.

I was thinking booze, food and gate repairs all thrown into one delivery service around the McCormack area..

[V01]

I work as a subcontractor for the NHS, I couldn't keep my mouth shut and have been removed from the contract. I have to have a meeting with my manager in the next few weeks to find out what's happening to me. 

 

A member of staff made a false accusation about me a few months ago, On the same night I made a pretty dark joke to an off duty member of staff who had shaved all their hair off. A complaint went in about both things and was investigated. A couple of days later the first staff member was bragging to someone that they had me by the bollocks and that was it for me not realising this person had witnessed the interaction they had complained about. The staff member is not allowed to work in the hospital anymore and it later came out they had done the same thing at a couple of other hospitals. 

 

fast forward 6-7 weeks and I'm getting a phonecall from my boss saying the client want me removed from the contract with immediate effect. I had annual leave booked for this week so I've decided to wait until it's finished before meeting my boss to find out what my options are. I plan on fighting my corner but I don't see it making any difference.

 

I'm half resigned to my time at the hospital being over, I've updated my CV and started looking for another job.

 

I missed the application cut off for Sandwell Hospital in the same role, but New Cross have just posted a vacancy. Is anyone familiar with New Cross?

 

[mikeyp102]

30 minutes ago, V01 said:

I work as a subcontractor for the NHS, I couldn't keep my mouth shut and have been removed from the contract. I have to have a meeting with my manager in the next few weeks to find out what's happening to me. 

 

A member of staff made a false accusation about me a few months ago, On the same night I made a pretty dark joke to an off duty member of staff who had shaved all their hair off. A complaint went in about both things and was investigated. A couple of days later the first staff member was bragging to someone that they had me by the bollocks and that was it for me not realising this person had witnessed the interaction they had complained about. The staff member is not allowed to work in the hospital anymore and it later came out they had done the same thing at a couple of other hospitals. 

 

fast forward 6-7 weeks and I'm getting a phonecall from my boss saying the client want me removed from the contract with immediate effect. I had annual leave booked for this week so I've decided to wait until it's finished before meeting my boss to find out what my options are. I plan on fighting my corner but I don't see it making any difference.

 

I'm half resigned to my time at the hospital being over, I've updated my CV and started looking for another job.

 

I missed the application cut off for Sandwell Hospital in the same role, but New Cross have just posted a vacancy. Is anyone familiar with New Cross?

 

Were  either of the things sackable offences? Or constitute gross misconduct. Seems from the outside just discipline matters and not  a fully sacking

[V01]

I've received an invite from my manager to attend a disciplinary hearing regarding the events I've mentioned. The main point from this letter betting:

 

The purpose of the hearing is to consider the following allegations against you and to afford you the opportunity to provide an explanation:

· Breach of professional code of conduct whilst on duty on 26th March 2019.

· Failure to carry out a reasonable management instruction

Under the disciplinary procedure, these types of incidents could be categorised as misconduct, which if proven, could result in a disciplinary warning being issued.

 

This hearing is being held concurrently with another one to discuss my removal from the NHS contract and discuss alternative roles available.

 

Looks to me like a slap on the wrist and having to move to an alternative role somewhere else.

[mikeyp102]

1 hour ago, V01 said:

I've received an invite from my manager to attend a disciplinary hearing regarding the events I've mentioned. The main point from this letter betting:

 

The purpose of the hearing is to consider the following allegations against you and to afford you the opportunity to provide an explanation:

· Breach of professional code of conduct whilst on duty on 26th March 2019.

· Failure to carry out a reasonable management instruction

Under the disciplinary procedure, these types of incidents could be categorised as misconduct, which if proven, could result in a disciplinary warning being issued.

 

This hearing is being held concurrently with another one to discuss my removal from the NHS contract and discuss alternative roles available.

 

Looks to me like a slap on the wrist and having to move to an alternative role somewhere else.

Not the worst outcome you were expecting then. Hope the hearings go ok.

[V01]

Gutted on having to move, the past few years there have been the first time in quite a while I wasn't miserable at work. 

[V01]

Interview at New Cross Wolverhampton Lined up for Wednesday. I think I'm going to need to go and buy a pair of shoes and some trousers.

[A'Villan]

Update on the basketball career.

So I make my debut tonight at 9pm. We've since recruited an American who has played professionally in Asia, Europe and Australia to our team.

Turns out this league is 100% legitimate and not just well marketed. Players from last season have been given professional contracts throughout Asia.

I've never been able to live off of my basketball talent, their isn't enough money in the third tier in Australia. This league give me that opportunity.

I'm not even particularly excited, I just feel like I'm in a good place and ready to give it a shot.

I spent my childhood dreaming of playing as a pro and the majority of my life preparing to be just that.

I don't feel inclined to let emotion or expectation have a detrimental impact on my game, I'm just here for the love of the sport and we'll see what might come with that.

 

[mikeyp102]

6 hours ago, A'Villan said:

Update on the basketball career.

So I make my debut tonight at 9pm. We've since recruited an American who has played professionally in Asia, Europe and Australia to our team.

Turns out this league is 100% legitimate and not just well marketed. Players from last season have been given professional contracts throughout Asia.

I've never been able to live off of my basketball talent, their isn't enough money in the third tier in Australia. This league give me that opportunity.

I'm not even particularly excited, I just feel like I'm in a good place and ready to give it a shot.

I spent my childhood dreaming of playing as a pro and the majority of my life preparing to be just that.

I don't feel inclined to let emotion or expectation have a detrimental impact on my game, I'm just here for the love of the sport and we'll see what might come with that.

 

Good luck