VillaChris Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Would rather move on Weimann than Gabby. I wouldn't. Weimann has natural talent, Gabby has pace. One of those attributes dimishes with age, the other doesn't. What about this for a solution... Move on both Only if we sign some proper established first 11 players not more 2m potshots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonoridge91 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I haven't been Gabby's biggest fan over the years, but selling him now would be daft. As things stand we are a very liimited counter-attacking team, and selling Gabby would only make us an impotent, very limited counter-attacking team. Aside from Benteke (who's own contribution falls noticeably when Gabby isn't there), he's arguably our most important player. Now, if we want to play a different way, then yes by all means sell him, but I've seen nothing to suggest Lambert is considering such a change, and attempting to change what we do well mid-season, when we are realistically fighting to stay up, would be very, very risky move. We are over-reliant on Mr. Counter-attack. What happens if he gets an injury and is out for the season? There goes our counter-attack and wage budget. 0-0 against Hull again and again. Meanwhile we also continue to struggle at home because we cannot afford the wages of a star creative midfielder. Villa have it backwards being better away from home than at home. Teams normally rely on their home form for most of their points. Being good at home is the safer bet for success in the league than being good on the road. We cannot afford Gabby now. Those who say he isn't good enough for a better team are simply wrong. He would be an excellent squad player in a CL side, and there won't be any shortage of offers at a reasonable £10-15m price valuation. Didn't Gabby take a pay-cut a few years ago? I love how your reasoning for selling Gabby more relies on a hypothetical season long injury opposed to the performances the guy has put in. Absolute joke to suggest selling him when he's loved by near enough all fans, puts in 100% is far from our worst player and I'm sorry but when we need a player to step up and it really matters Agbonlahor does that. His run of form near the end of last season were instrumental to us staying up. To suggest selling him for £10million seems absolutely pointless at this point, who would we sign to replace him? Better yet who's to say we'd even get £10million for him... Don't understand. Nor do I want to your reasoning for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Would rather move on Weimann than Gabby. I wouldn't. Weimann has natural talent, Gabby has pace. One of those attributes dimishes with age, the other doesn't. What about this for a solution... Move on both Only if we sign some proper established first 11 players not more 2m potshots. I really don't get this approach to transfers. Why is price and how known a player is more important than ability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Didn't Gabby take a pay-cut a few years ago? I love how your reasoning for selling Gabby more relies on a hypothetical season long injury opposed to the performances the guy has put in. Absolute joke to suggest selling him when he's loved by near enough all fans, puts in 100% is far from our worst player and I'm sorry but when we need a player to step up and it really matters Agbonlahor does that. His run of form near the end of last season were instrumental to us staying up. To suggest selling him for £10million seems absolutely pointless at this point, who would we sign to replace him? Better yet who's to say we'd even get £10million for him... Don't understand. Nor do I want to your reasoning for this. I'm saying he would be sold to a team playing CL football, so I believe in his ability much more than those who are saying he isn't even good enough to be sold! I was given to understand, pay-cut or not, Gabby was our highest paid player, or one of our highest paid players. If the manager must work within a wage budget, in order to buy in a top quality creative midfielder we all want and another good striker to replace Benteke which we need, we might have to cut wage costs somewhere else. I wouldn't sell Gabby if we had the money to keep him and buy in all the new players we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I couldn't see anyone paying 10m for Gabby. He just doesn't bring enough to the table to justify that type of fee to anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I couldn't see anyone paying 10m for Gabby. He just doesn't bring enough to the table to justify that type of fee to anyone else. 9 goals a year and a few assists isn't worth 10 million in the market today? that's not all Agbonlahor has. he is an outlet when you are defending. he's fast, he holds the ball up well, he wins freekicks. there is no better counter-attack player in the Premier League. he's done it all his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 It won't happen but it would be great to get Milner on loan.Looking lost at City. Come back home jimmy. I would say its about 5% chance of happening though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Thing is, we could sell Gabby now, but if we leave it a couple of years, could we sell him then? What for, and what wage would he be on then? Any strategic restructuring of the team to make our home form better could mean we have to sell Gabby. For our club's situation, the high wage he is on is not justified by the fact he is only effective away from home.* By contrast, a CL with much greater revenues could justify spending this much on a counter-attack specialist they intend to play away from home, for the majority of his games. *Of the 9 goals he scored last season, 7 were away, 2 were home. Of the 7 wins he played in, 3 were at home, 4 were away from home. Why do we want to make our Away form bad then ?! Don't forget we have 12 fixtures and now 18 (With Newcastle , Southampton and Everton) That we mostly we'd counter attack them .. Maybe you could add Swansea in that bracket too .. That's half of the fixtures ! We're far away from being all over against one these teams apart from Newcastle who are like us very good in counter attacking ! That's the first point .. The other point is about the wages .. I don't think the club has a problem giving more wages for players who deserves that .. It's a case of not getting players from outside the club with huge wages .. It's a case of trying the player .. Then if he's good give him a higher contract (Eg Benteke) .. It's a case of a ratio between the Aims per Money .. How much being 8th costs ?! Does iit worth that ?! Or it's better to build stability until we are ready to compete for Top 7 .. And build on from that .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 This talk of selling gabby is making me sad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 ....He won't be going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I couldn't see anyone paying 10m for Gabby. He just doesn't bring enough to the table to justify that type of fee to anyone else. 9 goals a year and a few assists isn't worth 10 million in the market today? that's not all Agbonlahor has. he is an outlet when you are defending. he's fast, he holds the ball up well, he wins freekicks. there is no better counter-attack player in the Premier League. he's done it all his career. Con if he's that good why hasn't anyone come in for him and why has he been constantly overlooked by England. Nine goals isn't exactly prolific and he isn't that consistent either. Probably answered my own questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I couldn't see anyone paying 10m for Gabby. He just doesn't bring enough to the table to justify that type of fee to anyone else. 9 goals a year and a few assists isn't worth 10 million in the market today? that's not all Agbonlahor has. he is an outlet when you are defending. he's fast, he holds the ball up well, he wins freekicks. there is no better counter-attack player in the Premier League. he's done it all his career. Con if he's that good why hasn't anyone come in for him and why has he been constantly overlooked by England. Nine goals isn't exactly prolific and he isn't that consistent either. Probably answered my own questions. From how maany game though ? Considering he was on a struggeling side .. His first goal was in the 10th game of season .. He isn't a lone striker btw .. Tbh he's really good .. I really wouldn't like him to go (Especially with the fact that he's a real Villan) .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Stop letting him troll you guys.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/443583/Newcastle-and-Aston-Villa-interested-in-wantaway-Tottenham-midfielder-Dembele Reckons we after Dembele here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Dembele links you say. Hold please. I need a new pair of pants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I couldn't see anyone paying 10m for Gabby. He just doesn't bring enough to the table to justify that type of fee to anyone else. 9 goals a year and a few assists isn't worth 10 million in the market today? that's not all Agbonlahor has. he is an outlet when you are defending. he's fast, he holds the ball up well, he wins freekicks. there is no better counter-attack player in the Premier League. he's done it all his career. Con if he's that good why hasn't anyone come in for him and why has he been constantly overlooked by England. Nine goals isn't exactly prolific and he isn't that consistent either. Probably answered my own questions. Tbf he has turned down moves before including a big money move to Arsenal, and being called up to the England squad which he has pulled out of more than once isn't really a sign of whether you are any good or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Dembele in and Zaha in on loan and we could actually have a decent side. Edited November 18, 2013 by KSV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I couldn't see anyone paying 10m for Gabby. He just doesn't bring enough to the table to justify that type of fee to anyone else. 9 goals a year and a few assists isn't worth 10 million in the market today? that's not all Agbonlahor has. he is an outlet when you are defending. he's fast, he holds the ball up well, he wins freekicks. there is no better counter-attack player in the Premier League. he's done it all his career. Con if he's that good why hasn't anyone come in for him and why has he been constantly overlooked by England. Nine goals isn't exactly prolific and he isn't that consistent either. Probably answered my own questions. Tbf he has turned down moves before including a big money move to Arsenal, and being called up to the England squad which he has pulled out of more than once isn't really a sign of whether you are any good or not. I'd very much like to see verification of him turning down 'moves' and 'a big money move to Arsenal?' England aren't exactly blessed with forwards who can play out wide certainly not with Gabby's experience so i feel it's a pointer to how the present England manager perceives him when the England squad isn't exactly blessed with quality at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Where's all this Agbonlahor leaving talk coming from, seems ridiculous to me. a) he is Mr Aston Villa he doesn't want to leave (at least not that I'm aware of) c) no-one would meet a valuation that we would deem fair for a player of his stature d) no-one would want to buy him (he's a striker who doesn't score very often) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwpzxjor1 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Dembele would be really amazing. Exactly the sort of player we need. I fear the only way we would get him would be in some sort of deal for Benteke though. They'll value Dembele at 20m in order to offer us 8m plus Dembele. Perhaps we could use the 'World Cup year' excuse again. Prove you can link up well with Benteke and you could both be first team come the world cup. This would probably mean just a loan though. And if he plays well during that 6 month loan, we won't be able to afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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