sir_gary_cahill Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Good news for the football club, he's a very good young player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Everytime i see his name i think he's some kind of bounty hunter from Star Wars or something 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decavfc Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Never seen him play, but I've heard he's a promising prospect. Hopefully he fulfils his potential with us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I saw him play for us once - awesome pace, which is always good to have when you're a defender - hope he comes good and people don't get on his back when he makes a few mistakes a la Baker/Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I saw him play for us once - awesome pace, which is always good to have when you're a defender - hope he comes good and people don't get on his back when he makes a few mistakes a la Baker/Clark. People didn't get on their back for a few mistakes. People have criticised both players for constant mistakes and not being good enough. Now that's probably more to do with the way the club is run which has forced young players to play more and be relied on more than they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'd have to disagree with you there - they've been given almost no quarter by some on here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'd have to disagree with you there - they've been given almost no quarter by some on here. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 But they didn't when they first broke into the team. I think villa fans were very excited about the potential of both of them when they first started playing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Until they made a mistake and were lambasted for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 FWIW, I also agree with that. Donacien will need patience, all the youngsters always do. We are quite quick to criticise young players, as a rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Until they made a mistake and were lambasted for it. Not true at all. They were given plenty of support by the fans for at least two yrs. However, after that they still didn't progress or learn from previous mistakes and then got lambasted for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Until they made a mistake and were lambasted for it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I can't think of many youth players who have had stick straight away. I think it's taken a long time for fans to lose patience with baker and Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 No-one jumped on Baker and Clark's back straight away, we all expected a steep learning curve and mistakes from both, the problem is they've had a decent amount of football/experience and neither have in any way improved, Baker in fact has gone backwards and Clark seems to have fallen our of favour completely even though I don't think his form was that bad when he lost his place last season. I would fully expect Okore to make mistakes and take time to adjust next season, same with any new foreign or young player coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) This isn't the Baker or Clark thread, but for the record, I don't think it's fair to say that "neither have in any way improved". I appreciate that Clark ended the season on the bench and Baker had a horrible run-in, but at the start of last season, we were reasonably tight defensively, and they both had odd games partnering Vlaar where they looked good. I'm not saying either is a long-term answer - maybe Donacien will be - but people give them a disproportionate share of the blame. Fullbacks and midfielders are also responsible for our weak defence. Edited to bring a bit more on topic: does anyone think Donacien will get much game time this year? He sounds like an impressive physical presence, might be nice to see him get a few games. I thought it was notable that both Grealish and Robinson got token runarounds at the end of the season but this lad didn't. Edited July 5, 2014 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Until they made a mistake and were lambasted for it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I can't think of many youth players who have had stick straight away. I think it's taken a long time for fans to lose patience with baker and Clark. Bannan, more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 I disagree, I think one thing we are good at is getting behind academy graduates. The problem is that they largely do not seem to improve at which point you have to admit that actually, they're not good enough. I've lost track of 'exciting prospects' that have come with great promise that materialised into naff all 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Gone on loan to Tranmere until Jan 1st. Hopefully has an impact like Grealish. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted August 18, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted August 18, 2014 Gone on loan to Tranmere until Jan 1st. Hopefully has an impact like Grealish. Good luck to him. Tranmere still like to play their football on the deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 good move for him, plenty of decent game time hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 hopefully this means were confident of keeping Vlaar .....until Jan at least. I seen him pre season last year - looked really good - hopefully he comes back with repuation enhanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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