chrisp65 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Worth pointing out that the figures for last week for UK prison population was 86,510 On average, 1,300 of those are in directly for cannabis related offences (answer to parliamentary question). 1.5% of the population. That's not the reason for prison over crowding, there are more inside for motoring offences. prisoner stats by week 50% of criminals disappearing may be on the optimistic end of the scale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, chrisp65 said: 50% of criminals disappearing may be on the optimistic end of the scale This is not the statistic I was loooking for. Can you keep looking please ? I suggest that every single person in prison for any drug offences started off selling weed at some point even if it wasa just 20 quid to the next door neighbour, probabley a lot of other criminal types also from car thieves to burglars. Every criminal I have ever known started selling weed in the UK as it has massive demand and is tax free. It is the smallest possible step available onto a larger criminal ladder. (pop this bit of weed round to so and so's is a easy peezie crime but it gets a bit real when its crack and not weed). + Add (as it is a criminal offence) , every single person that has ever bought or smoked it is of course a criminal so that millions and millions. (The 50%, we might be getting somewhere ) People steal to pay for it as they do with booze but becasue it has a atrtificial price set then problems are afoot.(These people go to prison also). There are 100s of thousands of people who spend the total day, every day either finding it & buying it. Just the time, petrol and general searching in total per year if converted into money would be billions and billions of pounds, it's all some people do, add to this the time for police, courts and so on then we are getting into silly money. Whatever the government tell you the usage is, I am sure it is way higher than they could ever imagine. Canada just made it legal I understand so as with Holland the country will just explode tomorrow. Most conservatives are against it. Edited June 20, 2018 by Amsterdam_Neil_D To add more made up stuff :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Sorry, I'm confused on what side you're promoting now. Are you saying that hundreds of thousands of people are hooked and spending all their time trying to get weed and are prepared to commit crime just to get some. Totally unproductive clearings damaging society. So we should legalise it? Surely you want to spin the middle class dinner party version? Or the quiet fag under a tree at a festival? Or the nan reminiscing about the 1960's? An unstoppable wave of criminal addicts is the wrong pitch, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 How the hell did they persuade them to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 See, I'd be tempted to put LSD in the same category as pot. I don't think you can make a case for the state selling pot, without also allowing LSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 53 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: See, I'd be tempted to put LSD in the same category as pot. I don't think you can make a case for the state selling pot, without also allowing LSD. Well, I've never done acid, but it seems dangerously unpredictable to me. I've heard some horrific bad trip stories from friends. I suspect that - in controlled doses - it could be beneficial for some people with mild mental health issues, but equally likely to be catastrophic for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Well, I've never done acid, but it seems dangerously unpredictable to me. I've heard some horrific bad trip stories from friends. I suspect that - in controlled doses - it could be beneficial for some people with mild mental health issues, but equally likely to be catastrophic for others. Well yes, but surely that's because it's unregulated? If we can get it in Boots as a sort of combi deal with the Viagra and THC, then whilst we wouldn't know if we were coming or going, we'd be cool. My understanding is that for the vast majority of people the stuff is safe and non-addictive. If we're going to worry about minorities having a bad time on it, doesn't that negate legalising weed? Is there much difference between the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 25, 2018 Moderator Share Posted June 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: If we're going to worry about minorities having a bad time on it, doesn't that negate legalising peanuts? FTFY. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Is there much difference between the two? Opposite direction. Too much dope - Pretty colours, pass out. Too much LSD - Pretty colours, no sleep for you my friend. Look out for psychosis with that lack of sleep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 I understand one of the issues with LSD is that you can't account for its effect. Even people used to it, otherwise in a good state of mind, can have negative effects from taking it, without warning, which can be severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: If we're going to worry about minorities having a bad time on it, doesn't that negate legalising weed? As if they haven't done enough, now the immigrants are stopping us getting high. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 44 minutes ago, Chindie said: I understand one of the issues with LSD is that you can't account for its effect. Even people used to it, otherwise in a good state of mind, can have negative effects from taking it, without warning, which can be severe. That's what I meant by unpredictability. I don't think it's just about quality control. It's too close to Russian roulette for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, mjmooney said: ... too close to Russian roulette for me. Stick to Spice, Mike. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 9 hours ago, Davkaus said: As if they haven't done enough, now the immigrants are stopping us having peanuts. FTFY 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 22 hours ago, mjmooney said: How the hell did they persuade them to do it? It's a skit, it's not real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 26, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2018 51 minutes ago, LondonLax said: It's a skit, it's not real. I suppose that may have been obvious if I'd actually watched it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 On 25/06/2018 at 23:03, chrisp65 said: Is there much difference between the two? Yes. To try and make my post more extensive than one word, it is like comparing Ritalin to Methamphetamine, which would have more in common than THC and LSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, A'Villan said: Yes. To try and make my post more extensive than one word, it is like comparing Ritalin to Methamphetamine, which would have more in common than THC and LSD. I didn't mean much difference in user 'experience', I meant more for user lifestyle. If you're taking small amounts of lsd then its relatively safe and easy to keep as a weekend thing an deasy to keep it non-addictive. I think it might even be listed as non-addictive. So, there are some side effects for some people. Just like skunk will be a threat to mental health for some, whereas a little weekend pot will do no harm to the average user, so a little trip after pay day will be of limited risk to most. But quantity and frequency abuse will send you down a rabbit hole. It doesn't appear to create criminal behaviour to feed a habit, you don't miss work, you're ok by Monday and you're not being an absolute douche like the guys on coke and you're not smashing car windows to pinch parking change like the smackheads. That's where I felt it was similar. Why would you legalise one and not the other when the impact on society of lsd actually appears to be the lesser? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: I didn't mean much difference in user 'experience', I meant more for user lifestyle. If you're taking small amounts of lsd then its relatively safe and easy to keep as a weekend thing an deasy to keep it non-addictive. I think it might even be listed as non-addictive. So, there are some side effects for some people. Just like skunk will be a threat to mental health for some, whereas a little weekend pot will do no harm to the average user, so a little trip after pay day will be of limited risk to most. But quantity and frequency abuse will send you down a rabbit hole. It doesn't appear to create criminal behaviour to feed a habit, you don't miss work, you're ok by Monday and you're not being an absolute douche like the guys on coke and you're not smashing car windows to pinch parking change like the smackheads. That's where I felt it was similar. Why would you legalise one and not the other when the impact on society of lsd actually appears to be the lesser? LSD does not possess addictive qualities. I can't agree with you on much else. There is reason it is used in covert operations by intelligence agencies as well as cults. Don't take that to mean that I think the actions of a few should dictate the livelihood of the many. I'm simply trying to encourage a more balanced and objective view from your end. I apologise in advance if this next comment is unwelcome, but I am assuming you have had positive experience with LSD. This sparks some curiosity for me, would you then legalise psylocybin, DMT or mescalin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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