CI Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 The people on here clamouring for Martinez are the same people who were banging on about how Owen Coyle should be given the job last summer. Laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Well Rodgers has signed a new contract with Swansea and I don't see Lambert leaving Norwich (personally i'm not keen on him) and for what it's worth I wanted Martinez (still do) but I 100% didn't want Coyle (and I still don't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Why anybody is clamouring for Martinez when Rodgers and Lambert both play better, more attractive and more effective football is beyond me. Was it not Martinez who started the whole Swansea ball rolling. I think people forget how good Martinez was at Swansea and in fairness to him I think he has done wonders at Wigan because if you look at the squad they are bollocks. Its a miracle he gets them to play the way they do. I think he would get a lot more out of our squad than McLeish. To be fair though before McLeish was appointed I was all for Louis van Gaal but clearly my ambitions and those of Lerner/Faulkner are universes apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philthevillan Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 It really is an amazing achievement by Randy Lerner. In just 2 years he has managed to get fans talking about relegation and protests instead of trips to Wembley, the possibility of winning a trophy and who we are playing in Europe. I have to hand it to him, I don't think even a Tory government could **** up so much in so short a space of time! So is getting us from relegation possibilites to challenging for the top 4 in just over a season. Not going so well at the minute be shows things can change in a short amount of time if things are in the right place. It hasn't been 'going so well' since about August 2010. A bit longer than 'at the minute' I would think. I would say Christmas 2009 but I get your point. Ah yes Christmas time when we followed up a five-game winning streak, which included a 1-0 smash and grab at Old Trafford, by losing to Liverpool and Arsenal. Villa then got booed off in a 0-0 draw with West Ham but soon after we had reached the Carling Cup final. That was the time when I realised how deluded some of our fans can be. It wasn't going wrong, we still finished sixth and came very close to winning a trophy but that wasn't enough for the fans. And look where we are now. Up shit creek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanvilla_1994 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Martinez seems like another Tony Mowbray. He may play the game the so-called "right" way, but he rarely wins a football match. Yeah agree with that. Would much rather have Paul Lambert. Its funny how everyone has been jizzing themselves over Swansea while Norwich who barely get a mention are doing better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Personally I'd say the Carling Cup final was where things started to go wrong, although many have argued it was even earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 15, 2012 Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2012 I completely disagree with that. Martinez's style of play and Mowbray's style of play are where the comparisons end. The resources that Martinez has worked under and the results he has managed at Wigan are incredible. Wigan are by far the smallest club in the Premier League. Yet for someone who 'rarely wins a football match' he has somehow kept them in the Premier League for the 2 seasons he has been there. They've no given right to stay in the Prem. They shouldn't have the resources to be there, yet there they are. And even now at the bottom of the league they're within a win of getting out. Of course they'll struggle every year given what they have, but he has done a great job with them. Mowbray came up with a toothless squad and went straight back down without a whimper, never managing to stay up. Martinez also set the tone at Swansea for the side that eventually came up under Rodgers. They were on the brink when Wigan nicked him. You do him a disservice saying he's another Mowbray. He's nothing of the sort. It's a very lazy comparison IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pricey_1984 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 It really is an amazing achievement by Randy Lerner. In just 2 years he has managed to get fans talking about relegation and protests instead of trips to Wembley, the possibility of winning a trophy and who we are playing in Europe. I have to hand it to him, I don't think even a Tory government could **** up so much in so short a space of time! So is getting us from relegation possibilites to challenging for the top 4 in just over a season. Not going so well at the minute be shows things can change in a short amount of time if things are in the right place. It hasn't been 'going so well' since about August 2010. A bit longer than 'at the minute' I would think. I would say Christmas 2009 but I get your point. Ah yes Christmas time when we followed up a five-game winning streak, which included a 1-0 smash and grab at Old Trafford, by losing to Liverpool and Arsenal. Villa then got booed off in a 0-0 draw with West Ham but soon after we had reached the Carling Cup final. That was the time when I realised how deluded some of our fans can be. It wasn't going wrong, we still finished sixth and came very close to winning a trophy but that wasn't enough for the fans. And look where we are now. Up shit creek. fully agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 It really is an amazing achievement by Randy Lerner. In just 2 years he has managed to get fans talking about relegation and protests instead of trips to Wembley, the possibility of winning a trophy and who we are playing in Europe. I have to hand it to him, I don't think even a Tory government could **** up so much in so short a space of time! So is getting us from relegation possibilites to challenging for the top 4 in just over a season. I assume you're talking about O'Leary's first season then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philthevillan Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Almost all of the credit for O'Leary's sixth-placed finish must go to Dion Dublin, for a stirring rallying of the troops at Christmas, and Nobby Solano for some superb set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted February 15, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2012 I'd like to give him a chance too, but i think it would take a considerable amount of time for him to really put is stamp on the team and change the style of play. It wouldnt happen over-night and would likely take a couple of season for the transition to happen. I'm not sure we can give him that time to be honest. You keep saying that but how long did it take Pardew to make his mark on Newcastle (please dont tell me thats how Hughton played!). How long did it take Roy Hodgson to put his mark on Fulham, then the baggies. Martinez created the infrastructure at Swansea, he has Wigan playing some pretty good football and I would like to see what he could do here. It would have to be the end of the season, he would need to be given free reign to refresh the squad and most importantly remove the dead wood. I think he could take the club forward significantly and if he has the ability to do that, then he would also get my patience. Well if he was able to clear out everyone he wanted too, and then have the funds to bring in everyone he wanted to in the space of one summer then yes, he could turn it around quicker. But i highly doubt that would be the case. Reason why I think it would take time is because of the way the players reacted to Houllier when he wanted to change the style of football. We'd have all the same problems again. Unless those players were all removed. But I doubt that will be done in one transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted February 15, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2012 Why anybody is clamouring for Martinez when Rodgers and Lambert both play better, more attractive and more effective football is beyond me. Why would either Rogers or Lambert want to come to Villa? I personally think they're in a much better position as they are with the lack of funds available at VP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sani Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Why anybody is clamouring for Martinez when Rodgers and Lambert both play better, more attractive and more effective football is beyond me. Rodgers is only continuing what Martinez started at Swansea..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Neither Rogers or Lambert are of the correct profile or stature to manage this great Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 15, 2012 Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2012 If people can't see at this stage that Lambert is going to be a top manager then I can strike them off my "worth paying attention to" list right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Yes for me I would roll out the red carpet for Lambert I think, the last season has proven that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Lambert would make a good Villa manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Neither Rogers or Lambert are of the correct profile or stature to manage this great ClubWhat is that supposed to mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Lambert is the man I want to manage Villa. Only annoying thing is when fans of other clubs say that he would never leave the mighty Norwich to manage us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Why anybody is clamouring for Martinez when Rodgers and Lambert both play better, more attractive and more effective football is beyond me. Why would either Rogers or Lambert want to come to Villa? Dont be ridiculous. However bad things get at Villa we dwarf those two clubs combined and then some. They'd both jump at the chance if it came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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