JamieZ Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) I looked back at my first post about Lambert. I saw this CI and then checked to see if you'd changed your pov. Not because I want to make you look foolish or anything, but just to see if this whole sorry saga had got to you as much as it seems to have got to most fans. Just shows how bad things have gone lately when a fan who says he will stick by Lambert no matter what, suddenly proclaims that he now has to go! I've spent enough time around the forum to know that you've got to take everything CI says with a pinch of salt, but in this case, I think the change in attitude is understandable. At the beginning of the season, everyone knew Lambert and the team had their work cut out for them, and I think everyone knew relegation was a possibility. But I think it's natural for us to have assumed the fight against relegation would somehow be valiant -- that we'd be able to get behind a team and manager fighting tooth and nail to beat the drop. But the truth is, none of us have seen a whole lot of that, have we? In reality, our slide into (possible) relegation has more closely resembled free fall and capitulation than a valiant fight to the end. It's not been the Charge of the Light Brigade, it's been Keystone Kops. That appearance, coupled with the empty monotony of "we go again" after every hiding is demoralizing as a supporter. Changing attitudes toward Paul Lambert and the team from the support may have more to do with that appearance than our place in the table. Edited January 26, 2013 by JamieZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 You don't go this low unless there is a serious problem behind the scenes. Liverppol away, norwich away, Man city away.postive results....that ain't confidence. you cannot go from winning those games to such a massive low in such a short space of time. The shift is simply horrendous. something is drastically wrong and whatever it is, it ain't changing any time yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenBlue Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Hire RDM or Rijkaard, basically any manager who can coach your players on how to defend set pieces. Good luck, hope you can avoid the drop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_eristic Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I just don't get how he's so ineffective both in training and in the dressing room. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but when he was hired, I thought "at least this guy will get us organized and fighting", as those are things guys coming from less moneyed clubs have to be able to do. Somehow, though, he's got us delivering the same limp-dicked garbage on and off the pitch almost every week. It's flabbergasting, as his Norwich players on average weren't better than what he has here. Can he just not get our players on his side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I don't want to go down, I really really don't. But right now we're an embarrassment, the laughing stock of English football. If we have to step back from the limelight for a while to come back hopefully stronger and more "prepared", then so be it. I know for some of you it's hard to understand. I know that history ultimately counts for **** all, but we're Aston Villa. We founded this whole **** shebang. Your United's, your Barca's, your Baggies and your Boca's, we made it possible for them to shine. For them to support them in doing so. To see us suffer in this way is tantamount to sacrilege... We've been here before and we'll be there again and we will rise above it... Up The Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I'm sorry but that kind of attitude is why people laugh at us and it's also why people laughed so hard when Newcastle went down - giving it the 'Big I Am' serves no purpose whatsoever; it makes falls from grace harder and puts stressed players under even more pressure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 What attitude is that? No need to be sorry. So you don't agree that we should fight to be a big club, to dine from the top table? Well I think you're wrong. You're also wrong to assume I'm not humble enough and learned enough to accept failure. That I am ambitious and confident enough to know we will rise above it is what separates us from your Nottingham Forests and even your Leeds. Perhaps that is the mentality this club needs. "Prepared" rather than "accepting"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolteEndRob Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I'm not afraid to hold my hands up and say that out of the managers that were realistically obtainable for us I wanted Lambert. What he achieved at Norwich was remarkable and after suffering through a season of McLeish I thought Lambert would be able to come here and turn us into a comfortable mid table side again, then in a couple of years be pushing on to try and regain a place in the top 6-8. I am also not afraid to admit that I was wrong, BIG TIME!!! I honestly didn't think that things could get any worse than last season and I am absolutely disgusted that they have! He won't turn this mess around now. The damage is done and it's beyond repair. I hate to see us chopping and changing manager as much as we have the last few years but it needs to be done again! The thing is, it's too late! If we sack Lambert now, the squad isn't good enough regardless of who is in charge. A new manager may be able to sort the defence out a bit but we still have no midfield! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) "We bossed it really, with the possession....I thought we dominated the game..."Did we?It didn't sound that way on the radio and the stats don't really support that. What did those at the game think? Edited January 26, 2013 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 "We bossed it really, with the possession. ...I thought we dominated the game..." Did we? It didn't sound that way on the radio and the stats don't really support that. What did those at the game think? Didn't go myself, but my dad said we created nothing at all in the 2nd half and very little in the 1st and that the better team won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I love this club I love it's fans, I have followed this great club for over 25 years of my life, and to watch every bad record get broken, every new depth possible stooped to is making it impossible to week in week out to want to expose myself to the ritual embarrassment and humiliation that randy and lambert have somehow engineered. No money to strengthen, no learning from our mistakes on or off the pitch, no future in the premiership. The fact we can't defend crosses or set pieces or score from set pieces lies with the manager, he has had time and money to strengthen the team and sort out our tactics, all he has done is made us weaker. Yes it is not just his fault but until he walks away or is sacked we are just accepting relegation as inevitable. And for those who think its easy to get back up, It isn't, after all we can't even beat Millwall or Bradford so even if we go down we will have the same problems, our defence won't magically improve, you still have to defend corners in the **** championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I just listened to this idiots radio interview. He is Totally clueless . Get out of our club NOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cambridge_Yellow Posted January 26, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2013 Norwich City fan here. I still follow his progress because I do want him to do well after everything he achieved for us. I think some of the reactions on here are very extreme but I can understand them. The situation is precarious particularly when you factor in losing to lower league opposition twice in a week. But you have to look at the situation rationally and logically. Even if you sacked Lambert right now there are only 5 days left in the transfer window. That isn't even remotely enough time for a new manager to come in, assess the squad and then make some new signings. Whatever you think the rights or wrongs are about the experience/balance of the squad that is what you are playing the rest of the season with. They have to get you out this mess and the person most likely to get the best from them is the person who has signed them and invested a lot of faith in them. A new manager at this stage would create all kinds of doubt at a time when they need someone who they know will keep believing in them and give them leadership. It is also important to take a long term view. As a Norwich fan I have been here far too often. Between about 2006-2009 we were constantly fire fighting relegation from the Championship by changing managers. It isn't a viable long term strategy and really damages your club after a while. It is very expensive and leads to a high turnover of players who are unable to form an kind of identity or cohesive unit. That is why it is important to look at the actual viable alternatives before calling for Lambert's head. You don't want some journeyman manager who is going to leave you in exactly same position 12 months down the line. All you have effectively done is wasted more time and money. It is also important to remember the circumstances and perameters Lambert is working in. The budget has been slashed and the ridiculous wages of the O'Neill era are long gone. This means the only way around it is to box clever and buy young players who will appreciate in value. He has got a track record for doing this that very managers can match. He has made some good signings too. I have enjoyed watching the likes of Lowton, Westwood and Benteke when I have seen them. They look like players of great promise to me. While admittedly other players like Joe Bennett have really struggled. But very few managers get all their signings right. If Randy Lerner is to remain in charge of the club this strategy is the best chance Villa have of remaining competitive in the Premier League. Lambert is doing the right thing for me even if the results aren't forthcoming at the moment. I think it is also harsh to criticise some of his press conferences. I know the stock phrases become horribly predictable after a while but that is actually a good thing. He hasn't turned on his players in public which is why I don't think he will ever lose a dressing room. Strong words will be said in the dressing room and behind closed doors to the players but that is exactly how it should be. If you weren't covering yourself in glory at work the last thing you would want is a very public humiliation in front of everyone. That would make you feel incredibly small and you would really resent it. That is the art of man management. I still believe given his achievements so far, his grounding in the game and his pedigree as a player that he has the ability to be one of the best managers in Europe. This season is going to be painful and its going to be very tough for you. However if you survive it you will reap the rewards for years to come. Just remember how close David Moyes came to taking Everton down in his second season and look where they are now. Lambert can do the same for you in my opinion. OTBC 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I think this attitude of we need to go down to sort ourselves out is absolute bollocks. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I agree with the Norwich fan above, we need stability, but in regards to his PR stuff Lambert is starting to be a bit of a prick and it needs to stop. This week alone he wasn't going to do his pre-match presser before Millwall, then verbal handbags with a radio host and snubbing Kendrick who is one of our only links between us and the club nowadays. If we are to go down we need to hope that we aren't made to sell off the players we need to keep (not just the ones that Lambert has brought in, but Weimann etc), and only those that we've been trying to cut. Darren Bent won't want to stay with us in the Championship as it will ruin his England chances for the Euro's which could be his last chance at a major tournament, Warnock's contract will be ran down and Hutton will hopefully piss off to Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I thought no one was bothered about last night's game? I certainly didn't. In fact I wanted to go out. So why the overreaction? Some of you should be embarrassed at the stuff you're posting. You certainly will be at the end of the season when Lambert keeps us up against all odds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Sack the manager, far too simplistic I'm afraid. What then? Who will we attract then? What will he have to work with? Even less money from a shit owner because he has just forked out a huge wedge to replace yet another managerial team. Players that he can't get rid of or afford to change. Change the manager, no investment and I tell you now right here, we will go down again next year. Ad then you can all bang on about changing the next manager, about hanging out your next pariah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I thought no one was bothered about last night's game? I certainly didn't. In fact I wanted to go out. So why the overreaction? Some of you should be embarrassed at the stuff you're posting. You certainly will be at the end of the season when Lambert keeps us up against all odds. You WANTED us to lose? Crazy...... yes we could have done without that game but what reaction will this cause for the NUFC game? Players even more disheartened, the fans even more angry and pissed off, the manager even more clueless and the press smelling blood...... a win would have been a lot more useful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I thought no one was bothered about last night's game? I certainly didn't. In fact I wanted to go out. So why the overreaction? Some of you should be embarrassed at the stuff you're posting. You certainly will be at the end of the season when Lambert keeps us up against all odds. I would not be embarrassed at all. Why would I be? I am embarrassed when I see so many things going on at VP that drag the name of the club into the gutter, a lot of which are Lambert's fault. If (god forbid) he is not sacked and then he keeps us up, that is no way any sort of justification that he is a good manager, we have seen far too many negatives from him and his impact to allow that to happen. Last night, like all Villa games are important especially at the moment. Because of many things, not least the god awful performance of Lambert we find ourselves at a crisis point as a club, I find that embarrassing. Fans being unhappy, venting their frustrations is fine and part of the sport. Blind faith I suppose is also part of the game, and those claiming that things would be great etc are showing that in abundance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 and still all we here from certain quarters is who will we appoint, there is no one out there, it's all Randy's fault etc etc. A lot of that is to try and save face I suspect and not admit that people were wrong re Lambert. The issues are a mix of things there is no debate over that really. Ridding this club of the incompetent Lambert now is the first step on the road to recovery/ Yes it has to be followed by changes in the attitudes and / or personnel at the top of the club also but the two are not mutually exclusive When people start to realise that and accept that the job being done by Lambert shows what a piss poor manager he is, then things can and will start to get better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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