Big_John_10 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 No it wouldn't have. Why would it? Anything can happen in a single match. Had we been beaten by Chelsea, we'd have been finalists in the top competition on the continent for youth teams. That in itself is a great accomplishment. In getting through their group, through each knockout stage, and getting to the final, they've shown consistency and an ability to come up against the best in their age group. Losing the final wouldn't have changed any of their accomplishments on the way there That single one off match has no bearing on the likelihood of any of them making it as professionals, the whole tournament however, is a good indicator that they're on the right track. And further than that, it's a good indicator that the youth setup at the club is among the best in the game Again this is kind of my point. If they hadn't won it wouldn't have changed anything. It wouldn't have made them less likely to succeed. It wouldn't have meant they had less potential. It wouldn't have changed anything. Winning or losing they still would have been highly rated young players coming through the ranks. Nothing has really changed hence my opinion of this wim doesn't mean anything.No it wouldn't have. Why would it? Anything can happen in a single match. Had we been beaten by Chelsea, we'd have been finalists in the top competition on the continent for youth teams. That in itself is a great accomplishment. In getting through their group, through each knockout stage, and getting to the final, they've shown consistency and an ability to come up against the best in their age group. Losing the final wouldn't have changed any of their accomplishments on the way there That single one off match has no bearing on the likelihood of any of them making it as professionals, the whole tournament however, is a good indicator that they're on the right track. And further than that, it's a good indicator that the youth setup at the club is among the best in the game Again this is kind of my point. If they hadn't won it wouldn't have changed anything. It wouldn't have made them less likely to succeed. It wouldn't have meant they had less potential. It wouldn't have changed anything. Winning or losing they still would have been highly rated young players coming through the ranks. Nothing has really changed hence my opinion of this wim doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 5, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted April 5, 2013 This thread makes me want to gouge my eyes out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 BJ, I don't know if you have any kids, but if you do have a son and he got to play for the Aston Villa youth team and was part of a team that won this tournament, please don't tell him that it didn't mean anything cause he'll probably not make it anyway. What a stupid thing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Another thread ruined by the same point being mentioned over and over again on what must be over 5 pages now. Not exactly ideal when you're trying to view on a mobile network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 BJ10 is as far as we know the only person arguing his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 BJ, I don't know if you have any kids, but if you do have a son and he got to play for the Aston Villa youth team and was part of a team that won this tournament, please don't tell him that it didn't mean anything cause he'll probably not make it anyway. What a stupid thing to say. Yes, it would be very stupid to say that. Just like it was stupid 3 or 4 days ago to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanmike Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Not to many who seem to agree that we have one of the best academies in Europe then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 I think most people on this thread (bar 1 person) is saying the above ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Not to many who seem to agree that we have one of the best academies in Europe then? at moment the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) Were Greece really the best international team in Europe the year they won the euros? Were Chelsea really the best team in European football last year? Does the best team always win a cup competition? Also surely a youth academy is judged on the quality of players they produce for first team football and not on medals and trophies. Not sure if Southampton have won much but they've produced Wayne bridge, Theo Wallcott and Gareth Bale. To me that's more impressive than winning a youth tournament. Edited April 6, 2013 by Big_John_10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Not sure if Southampton have won much but they've produced Wayne bridge, Theo Wallcott and Gareth Bale. To me that's more impressive than winning a youth tournament. Walcott and Bale were both trashed by their fans until about a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Jonno Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Its impressive that our academy has won the next gen, but until these players come through and show it in the premiership its nothing but nice and by no means demonstrates our ability as a top european academy. That being said it is promising, and great for the club. You hear and see every academy say that results are not important, and its development of players that is vital. A good academy is judged on the players it turns out, not the tournaments it wins. Its nice, its impressive but not the be all and end all. That being said I think we have a good academy, we certainly need to churn a couple of good ones out in the near future but we have some promising kids coming through. Fingers crossed they can make it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Not sure if Southampton have won much but they've produced Wayne bridge, Theo Wallcott and Gareth Bale. To me that's more impressive than winning a youth tournament. Walcott and Bale were both trashed by their fans until about a year ago. And that means what? Interesting hearing the two guys on the Aston Villa review podcast this week. I think a lot of fans would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhell Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Yes didnt some young men run around Villa Park with a European Youth trophy and then a few years later some of those same blokes ran around Villa Park with a much bigger Trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Not sure if Southampton have won much but they've produced Wayne bridge, Theo Wallcott and Gareth Bale. To me that's more impressive than winning a youth tournament. Walcott and Bale were both trashed by their fans until about a year ago. And that means what? Interesting hearing the two guys on the Aston Villa review podcast this week. I think a lot of fans would agree. You are jumping to conclusions too early about players like Weimann, Clark, Bannan, Gardner etc being shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) Just asking but shouldn't this thread be locked now that the NextGen is finished for this season? And to finish up these arguments that keep going around in circles. Edited April 7, 2013 by Ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Not sure if Southampton have won much but they've produced Wayne bridge, Theo Wallcott and Gareth Bale. To me that's more impressive than winning a youth tournament. Walcott and Bale were both trashed by their fans until about a year ago. And that means what? Interesting hearing the two guys on the Aston Villa review podcast this week. I think a lot of fans would agree. You are jumping to conclusions too early about players like Weimann, Clark, Bannan, Gardner etc being shit. The only one of them I've said is shit is bannan. I actually haven't jumped to any conclusion about any of the youth players. So once again you're posting garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Who'd like to hear a story about a bridge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Not sure if Southampton have won much but they've produced Wayne bridge, Theo Wallcott and Gareth Bale. To me that's more impressive than winning a youth tournament. Walcott and Bale were both trashed by their fans until about a year ago. And that means what? Interesting hearing the two guys on the Aston Villa review podcast this week. I think a lot of fans would agree. You are jumping to conclusions too early about players like Weimann, Clark, Bannan, Gardner etc being shit. The only one of them I've said is shit is bannan. I actually haven't jumped to any conclusion about any of the youth players. So once again you're posting garbage. Why mentioned Walcott and Bale then? Walcott and Bale never "made it" at Southampton. One went to Arsenal, the other Tottenham. On this logic we can take the credit for Gary Cahill, even though we sold him on before he made it here. Luke Moore scored another goal for Swansea this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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