nazvfc Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Its the summer, the transfer window and we've lost and haven't replaced our Chief Exec, we are on a deadline to bring players in and currently trying to conclude a complex deal for a player in a vital position in our squad. Frankly there are other things more pressing than Vlaar's contract. But surely it shouldn't get to a point where there are other things that are a lot more pressing. We have 4 players who can sign a pre agreement with other clubs in just 4 months time. One of them is our captain, one of them is our player of the year, one of them is an important player who has been here since a kid and the other is one of the most promising youth players we've ever produced. I think it's quite shocking that sorting out their deals isn't a pressing matter. We know from the Grealish thread that nothing has been started regarding him so think it's fair to say not much has happened with the others. You do also know that contracts can be signed AFTER the transfer window closes and anytime during the season for EXISTING players already contracted to the club or do they have to be done in the transfer window - just wondering as people seem to know more than the press/club/joe blogs etc etc. No matter what anyone says NO PLAYER is bigger than the club - NO ONE can predict what will happen at the end of the season - all this we are doomed bullc**p - no we are not - if anyone is so sure that we are doomed without him and what will happen - I challenge you all (not aimed at you DC) to right now give results of the league games and the number of points we will get if some are so sure we are doomed without Ron and that we are relegated before a ball has been kicked in the season because of 1 player. Just my opinion though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted August 15, 2014 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2014 It's not about Ron Vlaar Naz - it's about losing £20-30m by letting these players leave for nothing - or spending an additional £4-6m in wages to keep them because we let the contracts run short enough to put them in the driving seat. This isn't a club that can afford to do that - and it's wasting money and letting money walk out the door that will be the most likely thing to relegate us in my opinion. You let a player get to less than 18 months and he can start to up his wage demands knowing you need to protect your investment - let him get into his last year and you start to look at paying a lot more than you need to. If we'd offered new contracts to these players last summer we'd potentially have saved ourselves a fortune, as it stands now, we have to weigh up whether four months of Ron Vlaar is worth more to us than a nominal fee. It's mismanagement, and for me it's our biggest failing. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Why do people think Vlaar is off to Southampton? I've not read anything from Brendan Rodgers stating he is after him. *grabs coat, makes for the exit* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 It's not about Ron Vlaar Naz - it's about losing £20-30m by letting these players leave for nothing - or spending an additional £4-6m in wages to keep them because we let the contracts run short enough to put them in the driving seat. This isn't a club that can afford to do that - and it's wasting money and letting money walk out the door that will be the most likely thing to relegate us in my opinion. You let a player get to less than 18 months and he can start to up his wage demands knowing you need to protect your investment - let him get into his last year and you start to look at paying a lot more than you need to. If we'd offered new contracts to these players last summer we'd potentially have saved ourselves a fortune, as it stands now, we have to weigh up whether four months of Ron Vlaar is worth more to us than a nominal fee. It's mismanagement, and for me it's our biggest failing. This is where Lerner needs to step up to the plate and as he said himself concentrate on things for the new season. Signing up Vlaar, Delph and Grealish would give the side as much of a boost as signing Sanchez IMO. As usual he just seems to hide away in the States? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Outbyeaster I couldn't agree more. Excellent last few posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Its the summer, the transfer window and we've lost and haven't replaced our Chief Exec, we are on a deadline to bring players in and currently trying to conclude a complex deal for a player in a vital position in our squad. Frankly there are other things more pressing than Vlaar's contract. But surely it shouldn't get to a point where there are other things that are a lot more pressing. We have 4 players who can sign a pre agreement with other clubs in just 4 months time. One of them is our captain, one of them is our player of the year, one of them is an important player who has been here since a kid and the other is one of the most promising youth players we've ever produced. I think it's quite shocking that sorting out their deals isn't a pressing matter. We know from the Grealish thread that nothing has been started regarding him so think it's fair to say not much has happened with the others. You do also know that contracts can be signed AFTER the transfer window closes and anytime during the season for EXISTING players already contracted to the club or do they have to be done in the transfer window - just wondering as people seem to know more than the press/club/joe blogs etc etc. No matter what anyone says NO PLAYER is bigger than the club - NO ONE can predict what will happen at the end of the season - all this we are doomed bullc**p - no we are not - if anyone is so sure that we are doomed without him and what will happen - I challenge you all (not aimed at you DC) to right now give results of the league games and the number of points we will get if some are so sure we are doomed without Ron and that we are relegated before a ball has been kicked in the season because of 1 player. Just my opinion though! I think 'we are doomed if Vlaar leaves' comes from the fact our already poor points haul dramatically falls when Vlaar is out of the side - so IMO its entirley reasonable to think a season without Vlaar would yield less points than last season. In believing that doesn't make me some kind of guru and I can predict a whole seasons results. However its a good a bet that a Vlaar less villa will collect less points ,than than Villa with Vlaar - and in the last 2 seasons we have only been a few points of relegation. So the calculation\Assumption\Prediction that we go down if Vlaar leaves is entirley reasonable. That doesn't mean its 100% and we may as well give up - but its daft to suggest that his departure doesn't make relegation significantly more likley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silafou's_besi_mate Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Just read in this mornings Times that Southampton are not interested in signing Vlaar anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Just read in this mornings Times that Southampton are not interested in signing Vlaar anymore. Daily mail reporting hes an injury doubt for todays game v stoke - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 It's not about Ron Vlaar Naz - it's about losing £20-30m by letting these players leave for nothing - or spending an additional £4-6m in wages to keep them because we let the contracts run short enough to put them in the driving seat. This isn't a club that can afford to do that - and it's wasting money and letting money walk out the door that will be the most likely thing to relegate us in my opinion. You let a player get to less than 18 months and he can start to up his wage demands knowing you need to protect your investment - let him get into his last year and you start to look at paying a lot more than you need to. If we'd offered new contracts to these players last summer we'd potentially have saved ourselves a fortune, as it stands now, we have to weigh up whether four months of Ron Vlaar is worth more to us than a nominal fee. It's mismanagement, and for me it's our biggest failing. This is where Lerner needs to step up to the plate and as he said himself concentrate on things for the new season. Signing up Vlaar, Delph and Grealish would give the side as much of a boost as signing Sanchez IMO. As usual he just seems to hide away in the States? Even more worrying without a proper CEO. Lambert's been banging on about new contracts since before January I think yet nothing happened, so if it didn't get sorted with Faulkner here I can't see it being sorted without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 It's not about Ron Vlaar Naz - it's about losing £20-30m by letting these players leave for nothing - or spending an additional £4-6m in wages to keep them because we let the contracts run short enough to put them in the driving seat. This isn't a club that can afford to do that - and it's wasting money and letting money walk out the door that will be the most likely thing to relegate us in my opinion. You let a player get to less than 18 months and he can start to up his wage demands knowing you need to protect your investment - let him get into his last year and you start to look at paying a lot more than you need to. If we'd offered new contracts to these players last summer we'd potentially have saved ourselves a fortune, as it stands now, we have to weigh up whether four months of Ron Vlaar is worth more to us than a nominal fee. It's mismanagement, and for me it's our biggest failing. This is where Lerner needs to step up to the plate and as he said himself concentrate on things for the new season. Signing up Vlaar, Delph and Grealish would give the side as much of a boost as signing Sanchez IMO. As usual he just seems to hide away in the States? Even more worrying without a proper CEO. Lambert's been banging on about new contracts since before January I think yet nothing happened, so if it didn't get sorted with Faulkner here I can't see it being sorted without him. Yet without a proper CEO we've signed 2 players this week?? It's frustrating they've not been signed up but no one knows if they've been offered contracts or not. I'd be a lot more worried if they've turned down deals. Hopefully things are progressing behind the scenes but for me only Vlaar deserves a pay rise and with it being his last contract he may just hold out to see if we get sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 We do know grealish has not been offered one so it wouldn't surprise me if the others were the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Roncreate today. His celebration with Senderos at the end shows he loves the club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Did not play like someone who was looking to leave the club. Worry is it was the kind of performance that may encourage teams to make a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Van Gaal can do one if he comes knocking for our Ron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Thank god LVG is such a tool Who would you rather have in your defence Blackett or Roncrete No contest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recircle Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 With tedious predictability, the Ron Vlaar thread in the RedCafe forum's transfer section has started to glow red again, in the wake of United's defeat and frail defensive display today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Isa Posted August 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Lambert really laid into Koeman in that Sky interview and rightly so. "The thing that annoys me about the [Vlaar] speculation is that people are talking out of turn about other clubs' players and can't do that. You've got to have a bit of respect for other clubs and other managers. He was wrong and people know who I'm talking about." Edited August 16, 2014 by Isa 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 With tedious predictability, the Ron Vlaar thread in the RedCafe forum's transfer section has started to glow red again, in the wake of United's defeat and frail defensive display today. I thought it was Ron Laard on RedCafe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Great performance today, and looks like a decent partnership with Senderos. Has got to stay now, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Great performance today, and looks like a decent partnership with Senderos. Has got to stay now, surely? We can hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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