Morpheus Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Your missing the point i'm trying to make. For the umpteenth time, i was replying to a previous poster who stated that our first choice centreback partnership would be Dunne and Vlaar. I have stated in my opinion that partnership would struggle due to lack of pace. Both might be easily turned in the Premiership. I have not said that Vlaar's distribution is poor. What i am saying is that it would be nice for a change to see a centreback partnership playing for us who have both the attributes of pace and good ball distribution. In my opinion that is the way to move us forward into a team who's main attribute in beating teams is to pass the ball through them rather than rely on hoofball. Build our new team from the back with our back four comfortable on the ball and able to bring it out into our midfield without getting a nose bleed. I'm sick and tired of biting my nails watching us trying to hold on to a lead by retreating into our eighteen yard box because we continually lose the ball not having the type of quality to hold onto it when under pressure. Ok. So what's your opinion on Ron Vlaar, seeing as this is a thread regarding him signing for Aston Villa? You can understand my confusion surely, because if Ron is as comfortable on the ball and as good at reading the game as we are told then he'll fit exactly what you (we all) want. So how about being pleased with that? Or at least mildly optimistic? I dunno, just how I would (do) feel. Would like more pace to go with him being comfortable on the ball but we'll see how he pans out? For now i'm neither 'pleased' or 'mildly optimistic' but, maybe, hopeful that he will turn out ok? Fair do's. Gosh, we debate well.... Are you single? Sadly, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCAM Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Have I missed something?! When did this get confirmed, with only a medical to carry out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ads Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 To amplify Rev's point. Look at Gary Cahill, who was no slouch and Bolton's visits to B6 with highline that they tried to play. We put 13 goals passed them in three seasons. Cahill's pace counted for nothing against our forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-Copenhagen Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Some of the best centre backs in the world don't have great pace! Look how quality Laursen was for us and he was slow. He made up for the lack of pace with his positioning. If Vlaar does the same then there's no problem. Laursen was not slow, but he did not turn well. At full speed he was pretty fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Have I missed something?! When did this get confirmed, with only a medical to carry out? Here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binford Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/transfer-talk-show/120728/van-der-kraan-newcastle%E2%80%99s-interest-pieters-and-van-der-wiel-177533 I like what this guy says about Ron There you go, on page 13! Thanx - kind words there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daweii Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 What excites me the most is seeing him on the OS in the Netherlands shirt as we haven't just signed a good CB but a CB that was good enough to be chosen to play for the Netherlands, that is no easy feat given that despite having a few average tournaments recently they have high standards. Now I'm not downplaying the achievements of Holman and El Ahmadi as they both get into their respective international teams, but Netherlands is pretty high up there and it shows progression and the kind of quality we are looking at I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 What excites me the most is seeing him on the OS in the Netherlands shirt as we haven't just signed a good CB but a CB that was good enough to be chosen to play for the Netherlands, that is no easy feat given that despite having a few average tournaments recently they have high standards. Now I'm not downplaying the achievements of Holman and El Ahmadi as they both get into their respective international teams, but Netherlands is pretty high up there and it shows progression and the kind of quality we are looking at I like it.Makes you wonder who O'Neill could've signed, if only he was willing to look abroad from time to time. We might not have done much better than we did (given his tactics and lack of squad rotation) but at least it would've been much cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 What excites me the most is seeing him on the OS in the Netherlands shirt as we haven't just signed a good CB but a CB that was good enough to be chosen to play for the Netherlands, that is no easy feat given that despite having a few average tournaments recently they have high standards. Now I'm not downplaying the achievements of Holman and El Ahmadi as they both get into their respective international teams, but Netherlands is pretty high up there and it shows progression and the kind of quality we are looking at I like it. To be fair the Dutch have suffered from a real dearth of quality centrebacks in recent years, so the fact that he plays for the Netherlands senior team is irrelevant, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 What excites me the most is seeing him on the OS in the Netherlands shirt as we haven't just signed a good CB but a CB that was good enough to be chosen to play for the Netherlands, that is no easy feat given that despite having a few average tournaments recently they have high standards. Now I'm not downplaying the achievements of Holman and El Ahmadi as they both get into their respective international teams, but Netherlands is pretty high up there and it shows progression and the kind of quality we are looking at I like it. The dutch have never been that great defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boumasbabies Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Keoman, De Boer, Stam......they've had a few good ones And Vlaar!!!!!!!! Always seem to say it like William Shatner.......Khan!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 The guy's Dutch, they have it ingrained into them from day one not to just boot posession away unless absolutely necessary, pretty much a fact so far as I know they say the same about Spanish and then we signed Cuellar which proved that was a myth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 To be fair the Dutch have suffered from a real dearth of quality centrebacks in recent years, so the fact that he plays for the Netherlands senior team is irrelevant, imo. would agree. since Stam retired the best defender they have had was Van Bronckhorst who was a converted midfielder. FFS Joris Mathijsen has about 80 caps!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Maybe Roncrete will be the first of a new era of great Dutch defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Soooooooooo this now means that Richard is still 100% ITK. His info was that the club really wanted him and he would be shocked if it wasn't done. Well done pal. Apart from missing Holmann KEA & Lowton it's a decent record I actually like the fact that you work all the way to half 5 on a Friday night. Commitment. You cannot do enough Mate Good answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Lambert contacted Vlaar before the Euro's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Maybe Roncrete will be the first of a new era of great Dutch defenders. he is not exactly an emerging talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic_bouma Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 i really hope Vlaar turns out to be terrific for us... but i just can't get too excited due to the nagging feeling that if the current first choice dutch centre back (at the age of 27) was such a great defender then he'd be playing for one of Europes elite.... maybe the price reflects the ability of the player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 30, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2012 If he was playing for one of Europe's elite then he wouldn't be coming to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 i really hope Vlaar turns out to be terrific for us... but i just can't get too excited due to the nagging feeling that if the current first choice dutch centre back (at the age of 27) was such a great defender then he'd be playing for one of Europes elite.... maybe the price reflects the ability of the player The player is apparently worth 9m Euros on the open market. He isn't going to be as good as a Vidic or Kompany, but if he is another Mellberg then I will be delighted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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