DCJonah Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 You're overreacting a little bit. No one would argue if you said signing benteke was a masterstroke. Signing a defender who has rarely performed at a high level in the premier league and had many injury issues is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Lambert has to take some of the blame as it looks like Vlaar will be moving on either a) at a reduced price in January or b ) for nothing next summer. When a player gets towards the final year of the contract he should have been more decisive and a) got Vlaar to sign a new contract or b ) got a decent fee for him. We'll probably end up getting neither. Lerner/Fox are not blameless either. Why would Vlaar sign a new contract when Lerner put the club up for sale and the whole club is surrounded in uncertainty? Vlaar not signing a new deal has nothing to do with Lambert and everything to do with wanting to play at a higher level and to compete for trophies. A player not signing a new deal of course has something to do with the manager. If the player believes in the manager he would probably be more likely to stay. If the manager doesn't expect Vlaar to stay (as has looked increasingly unlikely) then the questions has to be asked if Lambert has failed to get the maximum value out of the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 The manager is limited in what he can promise a player in trying to convince him to stay, I'll leave it at that and leave you guys to keep arguing the same points over and over without ever changing your views... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Then sell the player to get the maximum value from him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Then sell the player to get the maximum value from him! That would've been last summer. No chance of much in January tbh, I'd keep him until the summer to make sure we say up and we do regularly pick up points when Vlaar is in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Then sell the player to get the maximum value from him! That would've been last summer. No chance of much in January tbh, I'd keep him until the summer to make sure we say up and we do regularly pick up points when Vlaar is in the team. My point exactly - we've missed out yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik986 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 If the players boughT into lamberts master plan we may have a hope of keeping him and Delph. If the players believed under Lerner we were going to do something we may have a hope of keeping them. I'm not too concerned about vlaar, injury record and poor games often restricted his impact on the side. Delph concerns me as we have no drive or dynamism in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Any updates on how long he will be out for this time? I personally think it is irrelevant as I do not expect him to pull on the claret and blue of Villa again Yeah, Will probably be carrying one of those infamous mysterious back injuries till he moves on. Saying that, this one don't any injury conspiracy theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Not a happy chappy http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30154757 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Any updates on how long he will be out for this time? I personally think it is irrelevant as I do not expect him to pull on the claret and blue of Villa again Yeah, Will probably be carrying one of those infamous mysterious back injuries till he moves on. Saying that, this one don't any injury conspiracy theories. What 'infamous mysterious back injuries'? Vlaar will always make himself available for selection if his body is up to it. We are not going to be selling our captain in a January transfer window so we would have nothing to gain from it either. I have no doubt about Vlaar performing to the best of his ability no matter what, and to frankly, call his integrity as a man and a professional into play is pretty bad form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisagg75 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 with the performances tonight and the improvement in baker,senderos being our best so far (imo).i'd sell in jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2014 If he's not going to sign a contract then get rid in Jan for some sort of fee. Then send the money on a stupid contract for Delph so we can get a big fee for him in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Bye Ron Edited November 25, 2014 by Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 good luck to roncrete cant blame him really, lerners a clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Bit early but if Okore can continue like he did yesterday and even improve we won't miss Ron. When he joined I thought we had another Laursen/Mellberg on our hands as i'd seen him a lot at Feyenoord but almost 3 seasons on he is a player who we will easily forget I think. Solid enough Premier League defender but if he doesn't want to stay he can be replaced from within. Sell in January, that's if he isn't having his Christmas break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIVillan Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Bye Ron Is this from some inside knowledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Any updates on how long he will be out for this time? I personally think it is irrelevant as I do not expect him to pull on the claret and blue of Villa again Yeah, Will probably be carrying one of those infamous mysterious back injuries till he moves on. Saying that, this one don't any injury conspiracy theories. What 'infamous mysterious back injuries'? Vlaar will always make himself available for selection if his body is up to it. We are not going to be selling our captain in a January transfer window so we would have nothing to gain from it either. I have no doubt about Vlaar performing to the best of his ability no matter what, and to frankly, call his integrity as a man and a professional into play is pretty bad form. The infamous back injuries that's used by clubs when there has been blatant conflict between the 2 party's usually because of transfer talk. Thus avoiding any publicised fan backlash towards the player that will only de-value the players stock even more come the sale. I to personally think we won't see him anymore, and after seeing Okore last night proving he has got the minerals at this level I'm not that fussed anyway. I think Okore and Baker will be the first choice CB pairing in the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Curtis Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Any updates on how long he will be out for this time?I personally think it is irrelevant as I do not expect him to pull on the claret and blue of Villa again Unless something's happened between them, I would find it very hard to believe that Lambert wouldn't pick Vlaar when fit. Tremendous coincidence that the two players most likely to be sold are 'injured until January'. Almost as if the deal is done and the buyer wants his goods protecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa_shere Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Keep him till the summer to try secure another season of top flight football, would pay for his sell on fee alone. I would imagine nearly every premier league team bar Citeh and Chelsea would be after him as there's alot of shoddy defences in the league this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) So Okore done well in his first game back and now people are happy to let our club captain go half way through the season? Oh Dear. Edited November 25, 2014 by rodders0223 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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