DCJonah Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Oh God. What have I done? Nooooooo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Replacing Guzan wouldn't be my top priority but if we can get someone in better then all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 28, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2015 Silly decision. Waste of time and money imo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Silly decision. Waste of time and money imo. Indeed, that money should be invested into our largely pathetic midfield (from a creativity/attacking standpoint) and our highly suspect defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcTheObsession Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Guzan is part of the suspect defence though with some areas of his game - distribution and communication to name two. His shot-stopping seems to have dipped somewhat from his usual high standards in the last 12 months too, although he is still more than adequate in that department. Overall I think he can be improved upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 28, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2015 Guzan is part of the suspect defence though So are Clark and Okore. Of course Guzan can be improved upon. The point is it's a low priority position for us because Guzan is perfectly capable, so to be throwing money at it and spending time looking for replacements is silly, imo. Spend that money and time sorting out the rest of the team which is in much more urgent need of attention. But Sherwood appears to not fancy Guzan so that's his prerogative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Guzan is part of the suspect defence though So are Clark and Okore. Of course Guzan can be improved upon. The point is it's a low priority position for us because Guzan is perfectly capable, so to be throwing money at it and spending time looking for replacements is silly, imo. Spend that money and time sorting out the rest of the team which is in much more urgent need of attention. But Sherwood appears to not fancy Guzan so that's his prerogative. Surely your last line shows that for the manager it isn't a low priority target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 28, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2015 Guzan is part of the suspect defence though So are Clark and Okore. Of course Guzan can be improved upon. The point is it's a low priority position for us because Guzan is perfectly capable, so to be throwing money at it and spending time looking for replacements is silly, imo. Spend that money and time sorting out the rest of the team which is in much more urgent need of attention. But Sherwood appears to not fancy Guzan so that's his prerogative. Surely your last line shows that for the manager it isn't a low priority target? That much is obvious. But that's the problem. That was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Calling it a waste of money at this stage is complete guess work, we don't know who we will sign and for how much, nor what we would get for Guzan. Whatever our opinion of the "priority" if the manager thinks he can improve the side by bringing in another keeper then I'm all for it. Maybe they simply don't get on, or Guzan and the defence don't "click", he was clearly itching to drop him in hindsight. I've no particular beef with Brad, but something isn't right there is it. In which case it shifts the priority towards high. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Brad Guzan was as sure a bet as we've had in goal since Bosnich. Kind of sad he's going to be shipped out over a few months of subpar form. I'll be sad to see him go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 28, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) Assuming we spend more on a new keeper than we receive for Guzan, which if the Begovic rumours are true we almost certainly will, then it's a waste of money. I get that Sherwood deems it a priority. But I don't agree with him. I'm not as willing to just agree with it just because the manager thinks it's right as some other people are. Edited June 28, 2015 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 We've been such a mess for 5 years I don't think it's clear what really are the priority areas. We need improvement in most areas. If we can do that with the keeper this summer then I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Begovic appears to prefer a move to Chelsea and warm their bench.... Says a lot about a player that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Assuming we spend more on a new keeper than we receive for Guzan, which if the Begovic rumours are true we almost certainly will, then it's a waste of money. I get that Sherwood deems it a priority. But I don't agree with him. I'm not as willing to just agree with it just because the manager thinks it's right as some other people are. So if the new keeper comes in and gains us extra an extra 10 points it's still a waste of money? No one is saying you have to agree with sherwood, what people are discussing is that's it's very flippant to say getting a new keeper is a waste. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Not that bothered but he needs to be replaced. Can't see Begovic coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 28, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2015 Assuming we spend more on a new keeper than we receive for Guzan, which if the Begovic rumours are true we almost certainly will, then it's a waste of money. I get that Sherwood deems it a priority. But I don't agree with him. I'm not as willing to just agree with it just because the manager thinks it's right as some other people are. So if the new keeper comes in and gains us extra an extra 10 points it's still a waste of money? No one is saying you have to agree with sherwood, what people are discussing is that's it's very flippant to say getting a new keeper is a waste. Well no. But that's a hell of a leap. One that's incredibly unlikely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 A new keeper helping us get more points next year is incredibly unlikely? On what basis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 28, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2015 A new keeper helping us get more points next year is incredibly unlikely? On what basis? An extra 10 points. On the basis that we're unlikely to get a keeper who is 10 points a season better than Brad Guzan. Asmir Begovic certainly isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 For a new keeper to come in and get us 10 points more would also require a new defence and midfield in front of them. Would rather keep Guzan and use the money to strengthen other, more vital areas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 28, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2015 For a new keeper to come in and get us 10 points more would also require a new defence and midfield in front of them. Would rather keep Guzan and use the money to strengthen other, more vital areas Exactly. We're more likely to gain extra points by spending the money on areas that require more urgent attention. Of course, that's assuming all those areas aren't going to be addressed anyway. But as I've said before, the amount of players and money that would require means I'd be very surprised if that was the case. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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