Situation vacant... who do you want as the new Villa manager

[redrum]

ancelotti is possible imo. he said he wouldnt rule out listening to offers to the vacant west ham job.

[brummybloke]

You know what this what has Hughes won is really getting on my nerves. Let me be very blunt, WTF have we won in the past 16 years, exactly the same as Hughes has in his management career. And guess what Hughes is management career is a lot shorter than that. Man United have dominated our league for the past two decades so it has been difficult for many managers. I just think Hughes is a fit for Villa in terms of resources available and the squad we have.

games, lets see how many games he has won and his win ratio

then lets compair it to others

Fulham 43 14 16 13 win ratio = 1 win in 3 or 1.3 points per game

Man City 77 36 16 25 win ratio = 1 win in 2.1 or 1.6 points per game

Blackburn 188 82 47 59 win ratio = 1 win in 2.3 or 1.56 points per game

so the BEST he has done was after spending £230 million pounds on players and he manages 1.6 points per game

houllier for villa in a terrible season league and cup

played 39 won 14 drew 11 lost 14 win ratio = 1 win in 2.8 or 1.36 points per game

BETTER than hughes at fulham

so houliers first season which had all sorts of disruptions from the very start was more successful than hughes at fulham.

Oooops.

[Woodytom]

Missing Mystery Man so much right now....

where is he??

Not bin on since Salifou left

[Cjamesk]

Ancelotti would be a coup de grace

Villas-Boas I'd have a wet dream every night the guy's class, I remember my mate forwarding me a scout report he drew up ( Chelski Vs Newcastle in the Shearer / Owen days ) when he was Mourinhios underling and it's mind blowing I'll have to dig it out, but that's too "Hollywood" for an appointment. Plus he's still got a job to do at Porto and I don't think enough people would be patient enough much like Martinez if he came in.

heres the scout report - here

That's the one!

[beasley14]

I don't want to get drawn on the Hughes transfers too much but for starters I'm certain Jo was signed by Sven. Most of the other signings were good, Given was a top signing it just happens they have an exceptional youngster there too. Zabaletta plays all of there important games as does Kompany, De Jong, Barry etc. As for SWP I don't rate him but he played a decent part of things whilst Hughes was there. Bellamy was a massive hit also, player of the season in his last year there IIRC. I think on the while his transfers are good. I'd have to day though I would prefer Ancelotti and Wilkins etc to come in.

[Alec]

and making a profit on players?

hughes didnt make a profit on santa cruz, he spent 22 million on signing him twice and santa cruz has been sold for 17.5 million so he has made a loss on him.

he spent 230 million pounds in 16 months at man city on players, it was on 18 players, however 3 of those players were free transfers, so he spent an average of just over 15 million pounds per player, and they finished WORSE than the previous season under sven

awsome

The fact of the matter is that he saw the potential in Santa Cruz when he was struggling in the Bundesliga and snapped him up for £3.5m, allowing Blackburn to sell him for £18m a year later.

Signed David Bentley for £500,000 - sold him for £16m.

And one can only imagine what profit Blackburn will make on Christopher Samba this summer having signed him for £400,000, not to mention the increase valuations you would now find on the likes of Zabaleta and Kompany at City.

As we've said before though, there's not much point debating profit margins on player turnover at Man City when they are happy to pay the wages of players (Santa Cruz, Bellamy, Onouha etc.) who they send out to other clubs rather than selling them to rivals.

And your argument about finishing beneath Sven having spent £230m looks somewhat different in light of the fact that the majority of it was spent after that season ended and the Abu Dhabi consortium had taken over from Shinawatra. After the money was spent largely during the summer of 2009 - and some of it clearly went on players targetted by the board such as Robinho - he had them higher in the league at the time of his departure than Sven had them at any point.

?

hughes worked his way through £128.5 million in his first season,

Jo CSKA Mosc. £18,000,000 02 Jul, 2008

Tal Ben-Haim Chelsea Signed 30 Jul, 2008 £5,000,000

Vincent Kompany Hamburg £6,000,000 22 Aug, 2008

Shaun Wright-Phillips Chelsea £9,000,000 28 Aug, 2008

Glauber Berti Nuremberg Free 31 Aug, 2008

Pablo Zabaleta Espanyol Signed 31 Aug, 2008 £7,000,000

Robinho Real Madrid £32,500,000 01 Sep, 2008

Wayne Bridge Chelsea £12,000,000 03 Jan, 2009

Craig Bellamy West Ham £14,000,000 19 Jan, 2009

Nigel de Jong Hamburg Signed 21 Jan, 2009 £18,000,000

Shay Given Newcastle Signed 01 Feb, 2009 £7,000,000

3 years later lets see what the players sold for

or are doing for the club

Jo CSKA Mosc. £18,000,000 STILL AT CLUB DOESNT PLAY 1 YEAROF CONTRACT LEFT

Tal Ben-Haim £5,000,000 SOLD... FREE TRANSFER

Vincent Kompany Hamburg £6,000,000 STILL AT CLUB PLAYS

Shaun Wright-Phillips Chelsea £9,000,000 STILL AT CLUB DOESNT PLAY 1 YEAR LEFT ON CONTRACT

Glauber Berti Nuremberg Free SOLD FREE TRANSFER

Pablo Zabaleta Espanyol £7,000,000 STILL AT CLUB PLAYED 1/2 THE GAMES LAST SEASON

Robinho Real Madrid £32,500,000 SOLD 14 MILLION..OOOOFFF.

Wayne Bridge Chelsea £12,000,000 STILL AT CLUB DOESNT PLAY

Craig Bellamy West Ham £14,000,000 STILL AT CLUB? DOESNT PLAY WILL LEAVE FOR NOTHING THIS SUMMER

Nigel de Jong Hamburg Signed 21 Jan, 2009 £18,000,000 STILL AT CLUB, PLAYS

Shay Given Newcastle Signed 01 Feb, 2009 £7,000,000 STILL AT CLUB DOESNT PLAY

awsome

As outlined repeatedly now, selling for profit is completely irrelevant as far as City are concerned which is why I stressed the profits made from aquisitions at Blackburn in response to your statement that he supposedly fails to do this.

If you're asking me if I think all of the above signings were good then I'd have to say no - in so far as Jo, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Tal Ben-Haim and Wayne Bridge have generally all been poor since going there. The others, however, have either proven to be very good signings or at the very least performed well under his management at the club.

Robinho is the obvious exception to all of the above in that I think it's widely accepted that this was a purchase made by the board and the manager had very little to do with it.

And that still leaves virtually half of the stated £230m which was then spent in one go during the summer of 2009.

his buying and selling of players is part of his managerial history, just because you chose to ignore it, doesnt mean it didnt happen.

£230 million -£128.5 million is not the "majority"

his deals with blackburn included some good ones and some shit ones, he certainly did not make himself a reputation for finding good players cheaply.

he picked up santa cruz for decent money, £3.8 million. cruz was a decent forward who got injured at bayer, was then used out on the wing ( like gabby) so scored less goals , he still had a ratio of 31 goals in 82 games for one of the top clubs in germany, so hardly an unknown player and bayer signed him for the same amount in 1999 so they already scouted him and signed him and developed him.

our are we proclaiming DOL as a great manager as well?

his record compaires favourably to hughes and they also have had the same sort of circumstances when it comes to a team with loads of money and then teams with less money.

Given that I've attempted to look at ALL of the business he's conducted, I'm obviously not the one choosing to ignore anything.

Santa Cruz scored 31 in 155 games, not 82 games, and was percieved to be washed up at the time (admittedly he was plagued by injury at Bayern). That he enjoyed such a revival at Blackburn should tell you a lot about Hughes' ability to work with players and get the best from them, especially forwards.

£128m is more than half of £230m so, technically, yes it is the majority. The fact that it was also spent in six months compared to the previous £100m being spent over a year also weights the figure toward his last few months with the club.

And what the hell has David O'Leary got to do with anything other than an attempt to tarnish an otherwise well-respected manager with one that has been ostracised from the Premier League since we sacked him? Don't remember anyone parting company under such acrimonious circumstances from any club as O'Leary - and certainly not Mark Hughes.

[jim]

Missing Mystery Man so much right now....

where is he??

Not bin on since Salifou left

:shock:

[chrisj2812]

Would love us to get Coyle. Successful everywhere he goes, teams play lovely football and his career is on the up and up. Think he'd be a brilliant appointment, and realistic.

[OLDVILLAIN]

I was under the impression that chelski managers had a clause in there contracts.

That when the contract came to an end/was ended, that the manager could not manage in the same league

for a period of 12 months.

anybody else know anything about this?.

ps id like to see david moyes as the new villa manager:-)

[dudevillaisnice]

Would love us to get Coyle. Successful everywhere he goes, teams play lovely football and his career is on the up and up. Think he'd be a brilliant appointment, and realistic.

Not me I don't rate him personally and he lacks a plan B

[Grievemeister]

Did someone mention that MM wasn't going to post any information on here anymore?

[brummybloke]

and making a profit on players?

hughes didnt make a profit on santa cruz, he spent 22 million on signing him twice and santa cruz has been sold for 17.5 million so he has made a loss on him.

he spent 230 million pounds in 16 months at man city on players, it was on 18 players, however 3 of those players were free transfers, so he spent an average of just over 15 million pounds per player, and they finished WORSE than the previous season under sven

awsome

The fact of the matter is that he saw the potential in Santa Cruz when he was struggling in the Bundesliga and snapped him up for £3.5m, allowing Blackburn to sell him for £18m a year later.

Signed David Bentley for £500,000 - sold him for £16m.

And one can only imagine what profit Blackburn will make on Christopher Samba this summer having signed him for £400,000, not to mention the increase valuations you would now find on the likes of Zabaleta and Kompany at City.

As we've said before though, there's not much point debating profit margins on player turnover at Man City when they are happy to pay the wages of players (Santa Cruz, Bellamy, Onouha etc.) who they send out to other clubs rather than selling them to rivals.

And your argument about finishing beneath Sven having spent £230m looks somewhat different in light of the fact that the majority of it was spent after that season ended and the Abu Dhabi consortium had taken over from Shinawatra. After the money was spent largely during the summer of 2009 - and some of it clearly went on players targetted by the board such as Robinho - he had them higher in the league at the time of his departure than Sven had them at any point.

?

hughes worked his way through £128.5 million in his first season,

Jo CSKA Mosc. £18,000,000 02 Jul, 2008

Tal Ben-Haim Chelsea Signed 30 Jul, 2008 £5,000,000

Vincent Kompany Hamburg £6,000,000 22 Aug, 2008

Shaun Wright-Phillips Chelsea £9,000,000 28 Aug, 2008

Glauber Berti Nuremberg Free 31 Aug, 2008

Pablo Zabaleta Espanyol Signed 31 Aug, 2008 £7,000,000

Robinho Real Madrid £32,500,000 01 Sep, 2008

Wayne Bridge Chelsea £12,000,000 03 Jan, 2009

Craig Bellamy West Ham £14,000,000 19 Jan, 2009

Nigel de Jong Hamburg Signed 21 Jan, 2009 £18,000,000

Shay Given Newcastle Signed 01 Feb, 2009 £7,000,000

3 years later lets see what the players sold for

or are doing for the club

Jo CSKA Mosc. £18,000,000 STILL AT CLUB DOESNT PLAY 1 YEAROF CONTRACT LEFT

Tal Ben-Haim £5,000,000 SOLD... FREE TRANSFER

Vincent Kompany Hamburg £6,000,000 STILL AT CLUB PLAYS

Shaun Wright-Phillips Chelsea £9,000,000 STILL AT CLUB DOESNT PLAY 1 YEAR LEFT ON CONTRACT

Glauber Berti Nuremberg Free SOLD FREE TRANSFER

Pablo Zabaleta Espanyol £7,000,000 STILL AT CLUB PLAYED 1/2 THE GAMES LAST SEASON

Robinho Real Madrid £32,500,000 SOLD 14 MILLION..OOOOFFF.

Wayne Bridge Chelsea £12,000,000 STILL AT CLUB DOESNT PLAY

Craig Bellamy West Ham £14,000,000 STILL AT CLUB? DOESNT PLAY WILL LEAVE FOR NOTHING THIS SUMMER

Nigel de Jong Hamburg Signed 21 Jan, 2009 £18,000,000 STILL AT CLUB, PLAYS

Shay Given Newcastle Signed 01 Feb, 2009 £7,000,000 STILL AT CLUB DOESNT PLAY

awsome

As outlined repeatedly now, selling for profit is completely irrelevant as far as City are concerned which is why I stressed the profits made from aquisitions at Blackburn in response to your statement that he supposedly fails to do this.

If you're asking me if I think all of the above signings were good then I'd have to say no - in so far as Jo, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Tal Ben-Haim and Wayne Bridge have generally all been poor since going there. The others, however, have either proven to be very good signings or at the very least performed well under his management at the club.

Robinho is the obvious exception to all of the above in that I think it's widely accepted that this was a purchase made by the board and the manager had very little to do with it.

And that still leaves virtually half of the stated £230m which was then spent in one go during the summer of 2009.

his buying and selling of players is part of his managerial history, just because you chose to ignore it, doesnt mean it didnt happen.

£230 million -£128.5 million is not the "majority"

his deals with blackburn included some good ones and some shit ones, he certainly did not make himself a reputation for finding good players cheaply.

he picked up santa cruz for decent money, £3.8 million. cruz was a decent forward who got injured at bayer, was then used out on the wing ( like gabby) so scored less goals , he still had a ratio of 31 goals in 82 games for one of the top clubs in germany, so hardly an unknown player and bayer signed him for the same amount in 1999 so they already scouted him and signed him and developed him.

our are we proclaiming DOL as a great manager as well?

his record compaires favourably to hughes and they also have had the same sort of circumstances when it comes to a team with loads of money and then teams with less money.

Given that I've attempted to look at ALL of the business he's conducted, I'm obviously not the one choosing to ignore anything.

Santa Cruz scored 31 in 155 games, not 82 games, and was percieved to be washed up at the time (admittedly he was plagued by injury at Bayern). That he enjoyed such a revival at Blackburn should tell you a lot about Hughes' ability to work with players and get the best from them, especially forwards.

£128m is more than half of £230m so, technically, yes it is the majority. The fact that it was also spent in six months compared to the previous £100m being spent over a year also weights the figure toward his last few months with the club.

And what the hell has David O'Leary got to do with anything other than an attempt to tarnish an otherwise well-respected manager with one that has been ostracised from the Premier League since we sacked him? Don't remember anyone parting company under such acrimonious circumstances from any club as O'Leary - and certainly not Mark Hughes.

? weird because you proclaimed hughes spent the majority of the money in his second seasson, i prove he didnt and you then carry on pretending the £128.5 was spent the second season?

weird?

santa cruz being named as a sub but not playing you count as playing? weird?

you put santa cruz 1 year of good football purely down to hughes? DOL is awsome after all then, getting laursen and bouma and solano, not forgetting milner.

i already explained the comparison to DOL and hughes due to their simular circumstances at clubs with more money than anyone else at the time and then managing on a more resticted budget, again you chose to ignore it ( suprise) .

want a meh manager? great but i would expect more of our great club.

[Villan1957]

SSN news says that Sparky has a win success of 32% with Fulham. That's not very good. Too many drawers. Boring manager in my honest opinion.

[Wainy316]

MM stopped posting becausde of the negativity and stupid comments by some (I think).

Not sure if he's jsut having a break or if he's goe for good.

[Neil]

How many times? Fulham could have resolved his contract a lot earlier.

Load of tosh, he's got a 2 year contract already but he's using his get-out card at the first sign of something better on the horizon. Doesn't matter how you dress it up thats what it is, if there wasn't anything better he'd see out his contract no question.

[P3te]

SSN news says that Sparky has a win success of 32% with Fulham. That's not very good. Too many drawers. Boring manager in my honest opinion.

wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that it was with an injury ravaged fulham side no?

[siminjo]

lets hope he comes back with some mindblowing news this week about a new manager, what a way to make an entrance =)

[Woodytom]

SSN news says that Sparky has a win success of 32% with Fulham. That's not very good. Too many drawers. Boring manager in my honest opinion.

wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that it was with an injury ravaged fulham side no?

Or just simply, because its Fulham

[Eames]

I was under the impression that chelski managers had a clause in there contracts.

That when the contract came to an end/was ended, that the manager could not manage in the same league

for a period of 12 months.

anybody else know anything about this?.

Surely that can't be legally enforce-able?

We'll sack you and pay you compensation but you can't work for a year afterwards?

I'm not an expert on Employment Law but that HAS to be bollocks.

[brummybloke]

MM stopped posting becausde of the negativity and stupid comments by some (I think).

Not sure if he's jsut having a break or if he's goe for good.

i recall someone was pm-ing him and then blurted something out on the board and named MM as the person who had told him, despite it being a private conversation.

thus dropping MM in the shit

understandably he stopped posting the things we all were waiting for.

shame as his posts i always thought were honest and from inside the club as things were happening. not always 100% but things change so from when the info was known to actual thing happening, it can change.

but i always believed what was posted by him

i also thought it may have been the great Ian Taylor.