LondonLax Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 7 hours ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: This thread is funny... It's not painting them in a good light is it, they seem to be like SHA fans. Hopefully they keep Frank on a little longer, because the board don't seem to know what to do. They have tough games coming up too. They do play the Small Heath role in Liverpool. They have some ‘interesting’ fans in their mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 3 hours ago, VillaChris said: I think we were all just worn down. It started pretty much in summer 2011 with McLeish coming on so it was a full five years at prem level of terrible results in league and cup, terrible manager selection and bargain basement signings being heralded as world beaters. Ironically we had that protest v Everton when the ground just emptied at 75 minutes and then after there was individual booing for likes of Lescott so I imagine that wasn't great. I'm always amazed teams don't just bus in and out and park their cars at the training ground. Everton will probably do that from now on. Wouldn't that be more of an obvious target? The best way would be to helicopter out, in 1975 Saigion kind of way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 6 hours ago, LondonLax said: They do play the Small Heath role in Liverpool. They have some ‘interesting’ fans in their mix. Yeah but at least Everton have a legitimate claim of being the bigger team before Shankly turned up. Blues have always been a distant second. Or third if you could geographically confused Albion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wict01 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I would really like to see this lot vanish down the plughole. Every Everton I've ever met has been an arsehole and the fans' expectations seem to be completely at odds with the actual quality of the squad and manager. They've wasted so much money over the last 8 or 9 years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 It started to become apparent what a bunch of wrong'uns they have amongst their fan base when we played at Goodison last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I liked it when they qualifyed for europe and were banned because of Liverpool the previous season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 One of my best mates is an Everton fan so whilst its quite amusing to see where they are I will miss the banter if they get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: I liked it when they qualifyed for europe and were banned because of Liverpool the previous season. Always the bridesmaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) On 15/01/2023 at 16:16, VillaChris said: I think they are. Last season they scrambled safety on last Thursday of the season. They needed 9 home wins to do that. To equal that number they need to win 7 of their last 9 at Goodison and they still have to play Arsenal, Man. City, Spurs, Newcastle....and us (given we have a great record v them since we came up). Still to equal last season's two away wins aswell and got to visit Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man. United etc... I can't see them winning more than 5 games even with new manager so with a few draws that will get them to 33-34 points. When you think Wolves and Forest are firmly on upward trajectory now and Southampton may go on a run aswell dosen't leave that many other teams to have realistic chance of finishing above. Disagree, their squad quality is better. Starting 11 is something like Pickford Patterson / Coleman Tarkowski Coady Mykolenko Onana Gueye Iwobi Calvert-Lewin / Rondon / Maupay / Gordon McNeil Gray Ours when we went down was something like this: Guzan Hutton / Bacuna Richards Lescott / Clark Amavi / Cissokho Gueye Westwood Veretout Gabby / Gestede Ayew Sinclair / Gil Similar in midfield maybe, but the defence and attack options are much better. And they have a much better points tally (they're only 2 points off 14th). I think they've just got a terrible manager who doesn't know what he's doing. Still a poor squad that deserves to be in a relegation battle, but it's salvageable. Whereas I don't think any decent manager wanted to touch us with a barge pole. Edited January 16, 2023 by KentVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I think the main similarities between them and us when we went down emerge from how the way the club has been run has started to affect things on the pitch. Huge sums of money wasted, managers sacked regularly without any succession planning, leading to a disjointed squad on high wages and low motivation. Then you have the disconnect between the fans and the club hierarchy, which inevitably starts to affect the players by making the club into a toxic place to play football. No matter the quality of your squad, those factors combined will inevitably start to have an impact. I think they're probably down tbh, we know full well there's only so many years that you can circle the drain before it catches up with you 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, icouldtelltheworld said: I think the main similarities between them and us when we went down emerge from how the way the club has been run has started to affect things on the pitch. Huge sums of money wasted, managers sacked regularly without any succession planning, leading to a disjointed squad on high wages and low motivation. Then you have the disconnect between the fans and the club hierarchy, which inevitably starts to affect the players by making the club into a toxic place to play football. No matter the quality of your squad, those factors combined will inevitably start to have an impact. I think they're probably down tbh, we know full well there's only so many years that you can circle the drain before it catches up with you Yeah I just think they're at an earlier stage in that drain circling than our relegation season. More like our side the previous season, when we still had Benteke, Delph and Vlaar. There's every chance Everton still survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, KentVillan said: Yeah I just think they're at an earlier stage in that drain circling than our relegation season. More like our side the previous season, when we still had Benteke, Delph and Vlaar. There's every chance Everton still survive. I think you're probably right there, although IMO the overall quality of the league is much higher these days, so you perhaps get fewer opportunities to get yourself out of danger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Final point- losing Richarlison could well be seen as akin to us losing Benteke. They'd have been relegated without him last year and don't seem to have come close to replacing what he brought to the team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, icouldtelltheworld said: I think you're probably right there, although IMO the overall quality of the league is much higher these days, so you perhaps get fewer opportunities to get yourself out of danger For sure. I think one of the survival specialists could probably keep them up with the players they've got. Lampard is not a very good manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, KentVillan said: For sure. I think one of the survival specialists could probably keep them up with the players they've got. Lampard is not a very good manager. Definitely. Should have been gone a while ago tbh and made a pragmatic decision to bring someone more suited in. They could do a lot worse than Dyche, although their fans would probably be up in arms about that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Ill be disappointed if they dont go down. Another similar sized club needs to feel the relegation pain 🥹 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted January 16, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 16, 2023 West Ham away for them next. Fairly big game for both sides I think it’s fair to say. After that, Everton have Arsenal home then Liverpool away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 16, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Mark Albrighton said: West Ham away for them next. Fairly big game for both sides I think it’s fair to say. Oohh. A draw please,. Drag each other down. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, sidcow said: Oohh. A draw please,. Drag each other down. I'd gladly let Southampton and Bournemouth escape the drop for them and the 'ammers to drop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I thought they were going last season and they miraculously escaped. This year they look in trouble with Forest, Wolves on a good run of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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