Everton

[Zatman]

he has been their 3 seasons but the 1st season he cleverly(to his credit) didnt change the Moyes defence and added Barry and Lukaku. When that defence got old or injured he added Stones, Alcaraz and Funes Mori who are nowhere near the level of the Moyes defence

[KHV]

Just now, Zatman said:

he has been their 3 seasons but the 1st season he cleverly(to his credit) didnt change the Moyes defence and added Barry and Lukaku. When that defence got old or injured he added Stones, Alcaraz and Funes Mori who are nowhere near the level of the Moyes defence

So in 3 years potentially he could have a 5th place finish and an FA cup win, not bad for a top 10 side which is all Everton are. Nothing more

[MessiWillSignForVilla]

27 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said:

I don't get the hate for Martinez at all.  So what if he got relegated with Wigan, I'd say it's more of an achievement keeping them in the league that long and winning a trophy to boot.  His Swansea job was excellent.  At Everton I'd say he has done ok getting them in Europe but this season has been a poor one, but Moyes has the odd poor one for them too.

He got them relegated out of sheer stubbornness in regards to his play style and his complete inability to organise a defence. If he hadn't stuck to his philosophy of "pretty" football, he could have easily kept Wigan up. There's a reason why the so-called survival specialists like Allardyce and Pulis play direct, "ugly" football, because when you're in the thick of it all that matters is getting points, not how you get them. If Martinez had spent more time focusing on organising his defence properly at Wigan, and less on the technical side, they would've had a much better chance of survival, just like when Jewell and Bruce kept them up.

Now the same is happening at Everton, too much focus on the attacking and technical side, whilst their defence gets worse game by game seemingly. John Stones is almost Martinez football incarnate. Yeah he looks good on the ball and is quite good technically, but he makes some horrendous mistakes all because he's fannying about trying to look skillful. The amount of times I've watched Everton highlights this season and they've given away a goal/chance because Stones is dribbling in his own box or trying to play fancy passes with opposition players in front of him is baffling, and yet it still happens, a proper manager would've told him that sometimes you just need to word removed the **** as far away from goal as possible.

[Zatman]

He could also end up having a 16th position on his CV(Everton 2 points off at the moment) and no trophy

[MessiWillSignForVilla]

1 minute ago, Zatman said:

He could also end up having a 16th position on his CV(Everton 2 points off at the moment) and no trophy

Which would mean that he's taken a team that were consistently challenging Top 6 before he arrived (of Moyes' 11 seasons, they finished Top 6 - 5x, 7th - 3x, 8th -1x, Bottom Half - 2x) to just above the relegation battle in just three years.

[Zatman]

Just now, MessiWillSignForVilla said:

Which would mean that he's taken a team that were consistently challenging Top 6 before he arrived (of Moyes' 11 seasons, they finished Top 6 - 5x, 7th - 3x, 8th -1x, Bottom Half - 2x) to just above the relegation battle in just three years.

technical term is he has done a McLeish 

[StefanAVFC]

Just now, MessiWillSignForVilla said:

Which would mean that he's taken a team that were consistently challenging Top 6 before he arrived (of Moyes' 11 seasons, they finished Top 6 - 5x, 7th - 3x, 8th -1x, Bottom Half - 2x) to just above the relegation battle in just three years.

With better players IMO

Woeful manager. Still waiting for somebody to tell me a manager worse than him in the PL tbh.

[BOF]

1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said:

Woeful manager. Still waiting for somebody to tell me a manager worse than him in the PL tbh.

Interesting point.  For me it's a toss-up between him & Pardew for worst in the league (not counting Black).  Personally I think Pardew is the worst, but there's not a whole lot in it, and either way, Martinez doesn't come out the other side smelling of roses

[StefanAVFC]

2 minutes ago, BOF said:

Interesting point.  For me it's a toss-up between him & Pardew for worst in the league (not counting Black).  Personally I think Pardew is the worst, but there's not a whole lot in it, and either way, Martinez doesn't come out the other side smelling of roses

Yep Pardew was my only one who I could potentially put below him.

[StefanAVFC]

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This was meant to be the best Everton squad in decades, but the Toffees have hit new lows under Roberto Martinez’s management this season. 

An embarrassingly one-sided 4-0 derby defeat to Liverpool on Wednesday night left the season well and truly over with the side rooted to 11th place in the Premier League with four games remaining.

Martinez’s side are without a win in their last seven league games – form befitting relegation candidates, not the upwardly mobile, ambitious side they are supposed to be.

http://www.squawka.com/news/the-damning-stats-that-prove-it-is-time-for-roberto-martinez-to-leave-everton/649898

Only team to have won less home games is us 

 

[Mantis]

Didn't realise how disliked he was there. Just looked on an Everton forum and in a fairly large poll over 90% want him gone immediately.

Edited April 21, 2016 by Mantis

[rodders0223]

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"I very much regret what happened," Funes Mori said. "It was never my intention to harm a rival and I fervently hope it's nothing serious."

Quite a grasp he has of the English language already considering he has been in the country less than a year.

Well done young Sir.

[Artetasgirl]

4 minutes ago, rodders0223 said:

Quite a grasp he has of the English language already considering he has been in the country less than a year.

Well done young Sir.

He spent his teenage years growing up in Texas 

[Artetasgirl]

39 minutes ago, Mantis said:

Didn't realise how disliked he was there. Just looked on an Everton forum and in a fairly large poll over 90% want him gone immediately.

I do not know one fan who wants him to stay now. He lost me after the Swansea and West Brom games at home. I'd been behind him until that point and realised then that nothing will change with him in charge. 

The players look disinterested and are so unfit. The reason we are so poor defensively is the laziness and attitude of players. They don't track runners, don't close down or press, don't throw tackles in. To me that all comes down to the manager.

[rodders0223]

2 hours ago, Artetasgirl said:

I do not know one fan who wants him to stay now. He lost me after the Swansea and West Brom games at home. I'd been behind him until that point and realised then that nothing will change with him in charge. 

The players look disinterested and are so unfit. The reason we are so poor defensively is the laziness and attitude of players. They don't track runners, don't close down or press, don't throw tackles in. To me that all comes down to the manager.

They don't need to run. They are a football side

[tonyh29]

2 hours ago, Artetasgirl said:

I do not know one fan who wants him to stay now.

And if he wins the FA cup ?

[Genie]

6 hours ago, BOF said:

Interesting point.  For me it's a toss-up between him & Pardew for worst in the league (not counting Black).  Personally I think Pardew is the worst, but there's not a whole lot in it, and either way, Martinez doesn't come out the other side smelling of roses

Pardew has had periods at several clubs (usually first half season) where he has his teams playing very well.

[BOF]

Pardew has had periods at several clubs (usually first half season) where he has his teams playing very well.

Yes. The early bit. Before it all goes to shit. Hence a bad manager. Rides the crest of a wave then can't manage the situation.

[Genie]

Yes, but there are managers out there who cannot even to do that. 

[Rugeley Villa]

I can understand their frustrations but they want to try supporting villa for the last 5 or 6 years. I'm surprised in how quick they have turned on Martinez.