PieFacE Posted March 20, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted March 20, 2011 I think Coyle would come to us we have far more potential and better players that Notlob Even at this stage of the season with the position we're in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 Absolutely I think it would be ideal. A chance for him to rescue us (lets face it any half decent manager could do that anyway) and in so doing get the fans total support and favour and also assess the squad prior to the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 I don't see why everyone is saying Jol, he's such an average manager. Got Spurs to a decent finish spending a lot of money, but now Redknapp is there and is doing a lot better. Flopped at Ajax, the majority of their fans wanted him gone just like us with Houllier. The inexperienced De Boer is now doing a better job. At Hamburg got 5th place and two semi finals which he both lost. Fair enough he did ok there. Such an uninformed opinion of Martin Jol. The only blip on his record was this season at Ajax and something was wrong there from the start fot he season when he was close to leaving for Fulham. The season before he broke many of Ajax club records. He got Spurs to finish 5th after not spending alot of money. He spent £10 million and had the 9th highest wage bill in the Prem. Comolli was the guy who spent most of the money and that was the following season. Comolli spent big money on good players that simply weren't ready to play at Prem level. When Jol was in charge of transfers he brought in low cost, senior pros, for little or no money, who were able to make an immediate impact. At Hamburg he had the best win perecentage for 30+ years and the second best in the clubs history. Do you even know the injury problems they had at the end of the season when they fell out of title contention? Also during his year at Hamburg they made a net profit of 30 million euros, selling their 3 best players. He only finished 8 points of the title and was challenging for the title for all but the final weeks when injuires caught up with them. Fans are far too quick to judge a coach on what he's won. But anyone must be able to tell the Van Der Vaart, De Jong and Kompany are worth more than 8 points in the Bundesliga. Had they not had to sell those 3, I'm sure he'd have won the title. He was twice named Dutch Coach of the Year when at RKC and took them into Europe. He also won Roda their first trophy in 30 years despite the club going bankrupt. If you look closely at Jols record in very impressive and it would be hard for any coach to have done a better job at most of the clubs he's been at. The only blip was with what happend at Ajax. Do you really belive Mourinho could have taken the Spurs side he took to 5th. Or could he have done a better job at HSV considering the players the sold and injuries they had? I'm sure there are other equally as good managers out there, that are equally as under rated as Martin Jol, but as a Spurs and Hamburg fan I'm more aware of him. Fans judge mangers far too much on the basics of their CVs and don't look at the circumstances in whch they were working. On paper Harry Redkapps CV was pretty unimpressive and most Spurs fans didnt want him because of it. I bet there are quite of few mangers out who like Jol and Redknapp, don't have the great CVs but have the qulity to really take you forward as a club. It just requires your board to do some real in depth research, rather than just looking at what a manager has won. Many Ajax club records? What were they? It doesn't matter if Comolli brought them in or not, Jol had a job as manager to get the best out of the players. He got you to 5th place and you missed out on the last day which was unlucky. However your squad had lots of quality imo so it was no major achievement to get to that position. I am not saying he did a poor job... After that season the pressure grew on Jol and it was bye bye. I then said he did ok at Hamburg, I watched the side a lot that season, again a team with lots of talent and as you say small depth. Similarities to us with MON last season. Ajax you can't defend, Ajax haven't won the league in years but they have a fantastic squad, if the records you mean are winning several games 5-0, 6-0 etc... it means nothing when you lose more games then you should by the odd goal, which after all is what cost them the title. He then proceeded to fail in the other competitions, making certain players ineffective while Eriksen a top talent was oddly left out the side. The Ajax fans grew restless, not helped by the Fulham interest in the past and he was sacked. As for RKC I am not in the position to comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Coyle won't come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 If lerner has the ambition for us to be a top 4 club which i think he does considering he sanctioned the signing of Darren Bent we also need a good manager to get us there. The best ones are currently employed and wont come cheap but we have to me damn right ruthless fed up of us pussyfooting around business is business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbsboots Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Exactly. Get it done and dusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Coyle wont come with Bolton being his club and them being at Wembley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeps Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Moyes is the man imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 So what if the new manager is not liked by the players, they moan about his training and continue doing **** all. Not even the next messiah could sort it out in such a short space of time. Then that will be the boards fault i assume? Also i like how you try and bring MON into every post you make, Eh i never even mentioned MON, what on earth are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villianusa Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Absolutely I think it would be ideal. A chance for him to rescue us (lets face it any half decent manager could do that anyway) and in so doing get the fans total support and favour and also assess the squad prior to the summer Not with Bolton being one game away from Europe next season. Maybe in the summer if they don't make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-67 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Plenty to choose from at the moment. Ranieri, Magath, Van Gaal, McClaren, Curbs, Sam, Benitez, Jol. Personally, I think Houllier is here for keeps. I just don't think we'll get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 So what if the new manager is not liked by the players, they moan about his training and continue doing **** all. Not even the next messiah could sort it out in such a short space of time. Then that will be the boards fault i assume? Also i like how you try and bring MON into every post you make, Eh i never even mentioned MON, what on earth are you on about? messiah=mon no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeps Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 I even think Rafa would keep us up with 8 games to go with the squad we have. Replacing the manager might even mean we play a LB at LB, average or not. Or no more strikers on the wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 So what if the new manager is not liked by the players, they moan about his training and continue doing **** all. Not even the next messiah could sort it out in such a short space of time. Then that will be the boards fault i assume? Also i like how you try and bring MON into every post you make, Eh i never even mentioned MON, what on earth are you on about? messiah=mon no? No no not at all, i didn't mean it like that. I meant that everyone wants Houllier out fairly, but whoever we get in might not be amazing, its not guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 So what if the new manager is not liked by the players, they moan about his training and continue doing **** all. Not even the next messiah could sort it out in such a short space of time. Then that will be the boards fault i assume? Also i like how you try and bring MON into every post you make, Eh i never even mentioned MON, what on earth are you on about? messiah=mon no? No no not at all, i didn't mean it like that. I meant that everyone wants Houllier out fairly, but whoever we get in might not be amazing, its not guaranteed. True, but could it be any worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 So what if the new manager is not liked by the players, they moan about his training and continue doing **** all. Not even the next messiah could sort it out in such a short space of time. Then that will be the boards fault i assume? Also i like how you try and bring MON into every post you make, Eh i never even mentioned MON, what on earth are you on about? messiah=mon no? No no not at all, i didn't mean it like that. I meant that everyone wants Houllier out fairly, but whoever we get in might not be amazing, its not guaranteed. fair enough, i can see where you're coming from but i'd wager that they'd be an improvement on gh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotaxMax125 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Would it not be worth considering gettting Kevin Mac back in charge. Lets face it, Houllier has been out of the game for years and has demonstrated that times have severly changed. At least Kev worked under the wing of MON and is more up to date with the modern game with his coaching of the youth academy. Garry McCallister has done nothing to improve the situation either. Maybe (if necessary this could be done on the quiet) Keep Houllier's title as manager, but get Kevin to make the sqaud decisions behind the scenes. Get us safe and then come to an agreement with Houllier in the summer. After all Houllier has lost the changing room now and the players were happy to play for Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Whats Kev Mac been up to recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Whats Kev Mac been up to recently? Coaching the reserves again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeps Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Whats Kev Mac been up to recently? Coaching the reserves again I wounder if the players will turn to him given our current situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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