terrytini Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Just doesn't have the attitude. Thinks he's far better than he actually is and consequently doesn't put the work in to be better. would you take a pay-cut in your job? This... I'm seeing a lot of this at the moment. Why doesn't he get realistic with his wage demands?etc etc All the players can see the market has diminished significantly. So why would they lose the good contracts they are on? Even if they go elsewhere and get game time and be successful it is still open to debate whether they would get future contracts that are better than what they currently have. Point is not a single person on this site would take a pay cut to join a rival company so why would they. I get that its frustrating for us the fans but I'm sure that hasn't entered the players heads too much.The trouble with making yourself spokesperson for 'each single person on this site' is you end up talking twaddle.I have taken paycuts at various times in my career, for different reasons, ranging from just wanting to get out, to wanting better prospects, to taking roles I preferred. I know others who have too, it is not actually unheard of for people to have motivations other than money. And we are NOT on 10k, or 20k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Still hanging around like a bad smell i see I guess he wants to get as much money as he can as he will probably never get this level of salary again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'd take a pay cut from a bigger school to a smaller school to get a promotion (squad player to first team regular) Don't make out that it's as black and white as 'would you take a pay cut?' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbs Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Plus some people can't afford to take a pay cut, whereas Bannan can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Plus some people can't afford to take a pay cut, whereas Bannan can. Well his Bar Tab must run into the thousands someone has got to pay it off probably us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbs Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Surely his "wee" body couldn't take thousands worth of booze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Just doesn't have the attitude. Thinks he's far better than he actually is and consequently doesn't put the work in to be better. would you take a pay-cut in your job? If I was loaded and didn't have to worry about money for the rest of my life and had the opportunity to prove to myself and others that I am an actual professional footballer worthy of playing week in week out on as big a stage as possible for my abilty then yes, absolutely I'd take a pay cut. This same sentiment is aimed at the rest of the so called bomb squad too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switters Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 It's perfectly possible that it's not about money, anyway. Blackburn have been a complete car-crash ever since Venky's took over - how many managers they had in last 3 years? this is a big move for Bannan and I wouldn't blame any player for not wanting to go to a club that changes manager every 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I think he's reasonably settled in the Midlands so probably just waiting to see if a Derby, Forest or Leicester come in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Maloney didn't leave because he wasn't good enough, though. And he came back to the PL and won a fair amount of praise before his team got relegated. Is that an oxymoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) The trouble with making yourself spokesperson for 'each single person on this site' is you end up talking twaddle. I have taken paycuts at various times in my career, for different reasons, ranging from just wanting to get out, to wanting better prospects, to taking roles I preferred. I know others who have too, it is not actually unheard of for people to have motivations other than money. And we are NOT on 10k, or 20k a week. I also took a significant pay cut and a career level decrease to move countries for a better life. It also gave me a challenge to get back to the level I was at and more so back to the level I wanted to be at a certain age which I achieved. I took that decision at 27 and now aged 36 I have a better quality life in Australia and I have through very hard work worked back up the career ladder very quickly to be where I thought I would be at this age if I had stayed in Birmingham. The old phrase of one step back to take two steps forward....maybe better for Bannan as well Edited July 31, 2013 by nick76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted July 31, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2013 Maloney didn't leave because he wasn't good enough, though. And he came back to the PL and won a fair amount of praise before his team got relegated. Is that an oxymoron Not at all. He left Villa mostly because he was homesick and hadn't settled in well, as I recall. A few years later, after maturing a bit, he came back to the PL with Wigan and was pretty successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted July 31, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2013 Just doesn't have the attitude. Thinks he's far better than he actually is and consequently doesn't put the work in to be better. would you take a pay-cut in your job? If I was loaded and didn't have to worry about money for the rest of my life and had the opportunity to prove to myself and others that I am an actual professional footballer worthy of playing week in week out on as big a stage as possible for my abilty then yes, absolutely I'd take a pay cut. This same sentiment is aimed at the rest of the so called bomb squad too And that is the key for the bomb squad, really. This isn't about them losing money.... ... it's about them believing they have nothing to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daholteend Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Just doesn't have the attitude. Thinks he's far better than he actually is and consequently doesn't put the work in to be better. would you take a pay-cut in your job? This... I'm seeing a lot of this at the moment. Why doesn't he get realistic with his wage demands?etc etc All the players can see the market has diminished significantly. So why would they lose the good contracts they are on? Even if they go elsewhere and get game time and be successful it is still open to debate whether they would get future contracts that are better than what they currently have. Point is not a single person on this site would take a pay cut to join a rival company so why would they. I get that its frustrating for us the fans but I'm sure that hasn't entered the players heads too much. Since you brought it up, I DID actually take a 20% pay cut to join a rival company a few years back and I was earning substantial money at the time. My reasons for doing that were because the future at the company I was working for would have limited opportunities for future growth. . It turned out to be one of the best moves I ever made. Within a short amount of time I gained back the salary and through hard work was given more responsibilities that led to better opportunities on my next appointment. I realise that I may be one of the very few that did that but because Barry is so young and has a fair degree of talent he should not let money alone dictate what his next move should be. It is possible that there are a few more clubs for him to explore before the transfer window closes. Don't forget its only the end of July and he still has a few more weeks left to make a decision. It's a BIG decision for Barry Bannan. Just because there are a few fans that would like him to move on doesnt mean that he has to oblige them. After all, what does he owe them and how much are they going to contribute to his future welfare? ... oh wait a minute...it's nothing isnt it! I love AVFC as much as anyone but lets not be too hasty and harsh when a lad who has put in 14 years service to the club is being shown the exit door. As fans we can choose to respect players who have worn the claret and blue. I wish the lad well and hope that when he is ready he makes a choice that makes sense for him and moves to a club where he has a future career. If the right opportunity comes along I would hope that BB takes it and is willing to take a pay cut that may reap a bigger reward in the future. I did , and I have never regretted it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadoftrinity Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Why should he take a pay cut, when he knows that if he holds out for longer, Villa will most likely make up the rest of his wages, same as Dunne, Ireland and Given did when he left Man City. Same as all of the "bomb squad", why take a pay cut when you know that closer to the transfer deadline Villa will be just happy to get at least half your wages off the bill and be prepared to make up the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Still not gone? Jesus, my good will is used up already. Shows what these players are made of though. They clearly believe they can never be any good and so are unwilling to take a short term pay cut to play regular football and prove themselves. Would I take a pay cut to move companies? Of course I would , if I thought I had talent why would I want to be wasting away my career doing nothing? If I have talent I know in a short period will be racking in more money than ever. These players know they have no talent and so dont want to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I don't blame Bannan for holding out for what the move he believes is right for him. If he has any sense that will be opportunity based firstly with the money second. This is his first move and probably his most critical and I have every sympathy for him wanting to get it right if that is what he is doing. If we believe the media he has been told to find a new club and there is no way back for him at Villa. On a more general note I really don't get all this hatred of him on VT. My only gripe with wee Barry is that he has turned out to be not nearly as good as we all hoped. I don't think he is a bad player but at this moment he neither fits the plans Lambert has for the club nor is he proven as PL player so a move is inevitable. Another problem seems to be that he is, apparently, a bit of a cock outside football and that is seen as a proxy for his attitude to football and on the pitch. Stephen Ireland anyone? I'm not sure I buy that but I guess its not helped at Villa or in the eyes of potential new clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blunther Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Undoubtedly he's being offered less than the reported 20k he's on here, but as for the 'why should he take a pay cut' questions - yes, he's perfectly entitled to stay here and see out his contract (one year or two?), but he isn't going to play. Then after his 20k a week contract is up, who's going to offer him anything, given that he's not played a competitive game for years? If he has faith in his ability, he'd be better off moving somewhere on half the money, and at least getting a longer contract, then proving himself so he can move up the payscale. Maybe he doubts himself, or maybe he's an idiot. I've always thought the latter since the infamous MySpace page to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 This "I don't get the hatred of Barry" is from people coming in late and seeing us take the Mick out of Barry, we do the same with other players - Webcam, Gabby and him fathering a team. Its banter. Con and a few others have been very clever to drop in comments now and then about us hating or 'bullying' Barry. It is bollocks. We just stood up to Con and proved his stats are terribly flawed, he then decided to play the hate card, which people are now jumping on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 31, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) This "I don't get the hatred of Barry" is from people coming in late and seeing us take the Mick out of Barry, It's not. It's from being at Villa Park and hearing people shout like **** when a pass is misplaced. However, when another player misplaces a pass there's barely a reaction. It's from reading this thread and watching people call him a useless clearing in the woods. Got nothing to do with the light hearted "banter" . Edited July 31, 2013 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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