Woodytom Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 11 minutes ago, Callum said: after a weeks tough training Again, do us a favour.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Woodytom said: Do us a favour......... No wonder your post count is through the roof if this is the pointless nature of your replies. Why no elaboration? You clearly have an idea surrounding how Grealish and players alike should carry themselves, so please... (Please bare in mind that its 2015) Edited November 24, 2015 by Callum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Callum said: No wonder your post count is through the roof if this is the pointless nature of your replies. Why no elaboration? You clearly have an idea surrounding how Grealish and players alike should carry themselves, so please... (Please bare in mind that is 2015) Why no elaboration? You really need me to elaborate on why I might disagree with you when you say that il never experience the hard work and sacrifice that jack grealish has put in? Edited November 24, 2015 by Woodytom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2015 30 minutes ago, Woodytom said: Have to disagree BOF. Like many pointed out in the summer 'being passed out on the road is completely different and pointed to a general behaviour and not a one off'. I don't think that's jumping to conclusions. That's having a valid opinion. Not rocket science to see that the summer antics weren't a one off. At the point in the summer when he was passed out, what else was there that pointed to a 'general behaviour' ? What else made it more than a one-off? At that point it was a one off. So it was jumping to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr_Pangloss Posted November 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2015 3 minutes ago, Callum said: No wonder your post count is through the roof if this is the pointless nature of your replies. Why no elaboration? You clearly have an idea surrounding how Grealish and players alike should carry themselves, so please... (Please bare in mind that its 2015) With all due respect, the hard work for Grealish starts now. It's when you break into the first team at a premier league club, as a young player, that you really need to work very god damn hard. This is precisely the problem with virtually all of our talented young players over the past 15 years. They think just breaking through is enough, they think, 'well I'm now in the squad so job done'. Sorry lads, but that is just not enough. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) 1 minute ago, BOF said: At the point in the summer when he was passed out, what else was there that pointed to a 'general behaviour' ? What else made it more than a one-off? At that point it was a one off. So it was jumping to conclusions. The extent at which he was passed out. The other pictures - with the large bottle of vodka. Edited November 24, 2015 by Woodytom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2015 1 minute ago, Woodytom said: The extent at which he was passed out. The other pictures - with the large bottle of vodka. The other pictures happened after the first kangaroo court, hence my question at the time of being passed out it was a one-off, but conclusions were still jumped to. To use your phrase, it is not rocket science. The timing of the events and the reactions were very telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 14 minutes ago, Callum said: Pathetic. Leave the lad alone now, barely done anything. Singing into a camera and sitting next to somebody inhaling no2, if it wasnt helium. Fed up of so many self righteous busy bodies poking their nose in and acting like completeeee jobsworths. Yes our seasons going badly, yes were angry, yes he is in a privilaged position but HE put himself in this job through harder work, sacrifice & dedication than most of you ever will ever experience. While Jack is an ambassador for the club while he's at work, outside of work its absolutely chuff all to do with anyone how he holds himself. If you honestly think Jack staying cooped up inside of a weekend and sacrificing his social ties after a weeks tough training is going to help his performances, then wake up. Dip in form? Puh-lease, you could put ANY single player in our squad at the moment and they'll look shit. Never known anything like it, honestly... Ignoring your snarky at best dig over the page here is a breakdown 1) Regardless of what he did or didn't do the issue is what his behaviour represents. Whether you think heading out on the piss after a 4-0 stuffing where you personally swanned around doing very little for 74 minutes is acceptable or not - it demonstrates a staggering lack of awareness towards the feelings of fans and (although we don't know for sure) the management. It also shows you learned absolutely nothing from the summer where the media reported you passed out in the street. 2) He did put himself there but to accuse an entire fan base of not working as hard as or sacrificing enough is crass at best and utterly disgusting at worse. Jack is in an exceptionally privileged position at 20 he earns in a week what the average person earns in a year. To demonstrate some social awareness or basic humility is not much to ask, especially when your wages are funded by the public - either by Sky subs or ticket sales. 3) What he does outside of "work" reflects on the club just as much as what he does on the pitch. See the lawyer recently sacked for mouthing off about Liverpool fans as an example. 4) Yes. We are. No-one is saying he can't enjoy his life but again - earning what he does and having the profile that he does requires him to make certain choices. Earning the money he does he should be more than prepared to sacrifice a few drinks and a few nights out. If he wants a "normal" existence of a 20 year old he is in the wrong career. Jack should be aspiring to be Walcott or Oxlade-Chamberlain. Young, talented and more than able to keep their noses clean away from the sport. Its not hard. You're new here - and without wishing to do the Mods work for them you might want to re-read the house rules again and consider the tone you are adopting. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 1 minute ago, BOF said: The other pictures happened after the first kangaroo court, hence my question at the time of being passed out it was a one-off, but conclusions were still jumped to. To use your phrase, it is not rocket science. The timing of the events and the reactions were very telling. I'm not sure where the issue is here? Even if people were jumping to conclusions.... they were right. I'm not saying ppl should be recognised for being right, nor am I suggesting you're criticising them for jumping to conclusions, but at the end of the day, they were right so I'm not sure what there is to even debate here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mwj Posted November 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2015 27 minutes ago, Callum said: Pathetic. Leave the lad alone now, barely done anything. Singing into a camera and sitting next to somebody inhaling no2, if it wasnt helium. Fed up of so many self righteous busy bodies poking their nose in and acting like completeeee jobsworths. Yes our seasons going badly, yes were angry, yes he is in a privilaged position but HE put himself in this job through harder work, sacrifice & dedication than most of you ever will ever experience. While Jack is an ambassador for the club while he's at work, outside of work its absolutely chuff all to do with anyone how he holds himself. If you honestly think Jack staying cooped up inside of a weekend and sacrificing his social ties after a weeks tough training is going to help his performances, then wake up. Dip in form? Puh-lease, you could put ANY single player in our squad at the moment and they'll look shit. Never known anything like it, honestly... Spoken like a true 19 year old 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Woodytom Posted November 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2015 Callum. Your surname ain't Robinson by any chance is it? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 1 minute ago, Woodytom said: Callum. Your surname ain't Robinson by any chance is it? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2015 9 minutes ago, Woodytom said: I'm not sure where the issue is here? Even if people were jumping to conclusions.... they were right. The issue is that jumping to conclusions at the time is not the right thing to do, even if hindsight ends up proving you right at some point in the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Got his Barry 'you're a millionaire now' contract so **** the graft. On the piss m'lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 24, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2015 I don't really care to be honest. It's his on the field antics I care about. And at the moment they're shite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PongRiddims Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Let's get **** Grealished, let's get **** Grealished nar nar nar naaaar nar nar naaaar naaaaaaaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Don't know the lad but someone should remind him he has not made it yet, knuckle down and make the most of your huge talent or just be another hyped kid who never made it because he thought he made it after 6 months in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartyn88 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 For the moment I'm not overly concerned. Not the smartest thing to do especially considering the precarious situation we find ourselves in currently. Having said that, 1 or 2 more "headlines" like this and I'll be wondering if we have Michael Johnson mk2 on our hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 3 hours ago, Eames said: Grealish is a microcosm of what really worries me about this team and our current situation. I concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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