The RJW63 Official Jack Grealish Appreciation Thread

[mrchnry]

17 minutes ago, Aston_Villan4 said:

The personal finances thing is always interesting to me. He’s making £125k a week and was guaranteed £200-250k in his new contract at Villa. Obviously 50k-100k a week with Man City is a lot more but at Villa he’s a multi-millionaire already making millions guaranteed to make even more millions. He’s set for life as it is. This is more about him with the path of least resistant to trophies.

Show me a millionaire that said "that's enough money for me thanks"

[Aston_Villan4]

4 minutes ago, mrchnry said:

Show me a millionaire that said "that's enough money for me thanks"

Im just saying this isn’t simply about the money. He’s chasing trophies.

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

21 minutes ago, Nabby said:

 

 

 

I imagine at a higher profile club ..then there is also increased sponsorship deals etc ..

 

Also tbh with no CL money offering him 200k a week would have been a huge layout and likely could of stopped us investing elsewhere and certainly he would of been on much more than the rest of the squad 

 

Great points, and as I commented a week or so ago, when would it have ended? We'd have to hand him a bumper contract every season just to try and keep him, amid endless speculation.

Best move for all parties IMO.

The level of money we would have eventually given him, could probably be put towards another 2 quality players.

[Keyblade]

Kyle Lowry the greatest player in the history of my Toronto Raptors left this week. This is just going to make it the worst week ever.

[Mic09]

The sad thing is, one day Jack will regret it.

[ChicagoVillan1983]

4 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

The sad thing is, one day Jack will regret it.

Not sad for me. This week has been a rollercoaster but somehow I’m at the point where I’m more excited than I have been in 25 years of being a serious Villa fan, and I’m resigned to Jack going. It’s so weird. What a week! Like even more excited than I was when I stayed late on a Friday night at work to see MON arrive and sign at Villa Park, or when we won the League Cup in ‘96. I think outside of MU, MC, Chelsea and Liverpool (who I even think are on a down slope), I think we can be the number 4/5 team within a year or three. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by ChicagoVillan1983

[ThunderPower_14]

Jack will likely have a good career whether he goes, but there's a significant opportunity cost in this move. 

If we win a trophy or make the Champions League while he's still playing, he'll absolutely feel some pain for missing out. Imagine him watching on as Mings and Smith lift the FA Cup, for example. 

[TheAuthority]

£100,000,000.00

Just wrote that out for the first time. Took me about 3 attempts. It’s a f**k of a lot of money.

[Dave-R]

15 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

The sad thing is, one day Jack will regret it.

Jack be like Tommy " I threw my City Medals in the cut"

[danceoftheshamen]

3 minutes ago, ChicagoVillan1983 said:

Not sad for me. This week has been a rollercoaster but somehow I’m at the point where I’m more excited than I have been in 25 years of being a serious Villa fan, and I’m resigned to Jack going. It’s so weird. What a week!

I think this is it, i know a lot of us were fedup with being classed a "one man team" and sadly the stats proved that statement to be correct as we were pretty dire in the main when he got injured.

I do now wonder about the severity of the mysterious shins saga i have to admit. Did he actually know he was going to City way back then and was wrapping himself in cotton wool? The timelines all seem oddly coincidental and if it was really that bad would City actually be paying this amount for him? What i find odd is that he has "apparently" already signed and yet is off for his medical tomorrow? I think if i was about to pay 100m for a player i would not let hime anywhere near a pen until the medical had been thoroughly done? Just all seems a bit iffy to me.

An ulterior version could easily be....He breaks into the England team then Kane, Sterling & co get in his ear and say City want him and will pay x. Suddenly he gets mysterious shin issues which was never really explained properly & yet magically drags on for half a season effectively wrecking our push for Europe. Then just in time to prove his fitness he magically recovers ready for the Euros. Now all of a sudden according to reports he signs his contract without even having had his medical? Really? 

Just saying 

 

 

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

6 minutes ago, danceoftheshamen said:

I think this is it, i know a lot of us were fedup with being classed a "one man team" and sadly the stats proved that statement to be correct as we were pretty dire in the main when he got injured.

I do now wonder about the severity of the mysterious shins saga i have to admit. Did he actually know he was going to City way back then and was wrapping himself in cotton wool? The timelines all seem oddly coincidental and if it was really that bad would City actually be paying this amount for him? What i find odd is that he has "apparently" already signed and yet is off for his medical tomorrow? I think if i was about to pay 100m for a player i would not let hime anywhere near a pen until the medical had been thoroughly done? Just all seems a bit iffy to me.

An ulterior version could easily be....He breaks into the England team then Kane, Sterling & co get in his ear and say City want him and will pay x. Suddenly he gets mysterious shin issues which was never really explained properly & yet magically drags on for half a season effectively wrecking our push for Europe. Then just in time to prove his fitness he magically recovers ready for the Euros. Now all of a sudden according to reports he signs his contract without even having had his medical? Really? 

Just saying 

 

 

I think Sterling is the last player who would/should have been getting in his ear to be honest.

He could soon be having a " noooo, what have I done ??!!! " Cartoon type moment when he's been drugged and wakes up in Daniel Levy's office ,

Edited August 5, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN

[Dave-R]

8 minutes ago, danceoftheshamen said:

I think this is it, i know a lot of us were fedup with being classed a "one man team" and sadly the stats proved that statement to be correct as we were pretty dire in the main when he got injured.

I do now wonder about the severity of the mysterious shins saga i have to admit. Did he actually know he was going to City way back then and was wrapping himself in cotton wool? The timelines all seem oddly coincidental and if it was really that bad would City actually be paying this amount for him? What i find odd is that he has "apparently" already signed and yet is off for his medical tomorrow? I think if i was about to pay 100m for a player i would not let hime anywhere near a pen until the medical had been thoroughly done? Just all seems a bit iffy to me.

An ulterior version could easily be....He breaks into the England team then Kane, Sterling & co get in his ear and say City want him and will pay x. Suddenly he gets mysterious shin issues which was never really explained properly & yet magically drags on for half a season effectively wrecking our push for Europe. Then just in time to prove his fitness he magically recovers ready for the Euros. Now all of a sudden according to reports he signs his contract without even having had his medical? Really? 

Just saying 

 

 

I tell you what if Jack career goes in a season or two, I'll put it all down to a masterplan to rinse City for as much as we could get and that Jack and NSWE, Smith, Lange and Purlsow pulled off football biggest heist.

Put it down to Jack as being the inside man

Edited August 5, 2021 by Dave-R

[TomC]

Assuming that it happens (which is looking likely), I'm looking at the short term and the long term.

In the short term, am I disappointed? Of course. With the possible exception of Paul McGrath, Grealish is the best Villan since I started supporting Villa in 1992-93.

For the long term, what does this say about NSWE's ambition for the club? Only time will tell, because I see two possible motivations for NSWE in selling, and two possible motivations for Grealish in going. Looking at NSWE first, are they selling because...

1. They lack ambition, or because

2. They made the rational decision that £100m is a lot of money for a player who had injury problems last year, which can be used to deepen the squad with high quality players, which is a necessary step towards competing for Champions League spots and the title?

Similarly, did Grealish leave because...

1. He thinks NSWE lack ambition, or because

2. He made the rational evaluation that he's 25, the next 5 years are probably his peak years, he has injury problems and gets fouled a lot and could have even fewer peak years, and although NSWE are ambitious, Villa's timetable for becoming a truly big club is probably at least 5 years away, so he should chase hardware while he can?

I'm hoping that, in each case, the answer is #2 instead of #1. If so, I can live with it in the long term. And at the moment, I'm willing to give NSWE the benefit of the doubt. Edens has proven he wants to win and can win, as evidenced by the NBA success in Milwaukee. And NSWE are splashing out a lot of cash this summer, whether to convince Grealish to stay or to prepare for his departure (probably a little of both). But again, only time will tell.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2021 by TomC
Grammatical change

[Dave-R]

2 minutes ago, TomC said:

Assuming that it happens (which is looking likely), I'm looking at the short term and the long term.

In the short term, am I disappointed? Of course. With the possible exception of Paul McGrath, Grealish is the best Villan since I started supporting Villa in 1992-93.

For the long term, what does this say about NSWE's ambition for the club? Only time will tell, because I see two possible motivations for NSWE in selling, and two possible motivations for Grealish in going. Looking at NSWE first, are they selling because...

1. They lack ambition, or because

2. They made the rational decision that £100m is a lot of money for a player who had injury problems last year, which can be used to deepen the squad with high quality players, which is a necessary step towards competing for Champions League spots and the title?

Similarly, did Grealish leave because...

1. He thinks NSWE lack ambition, or because

2. He made the rational evaluation that he's 25, the next 5 years are probably his peak years, he has injury problems and gets fouled a lot and could have even fewer peak years, and although NSWE are ambitious, Villa's timetable for becoming a truly big club is probably at least 5 years away, so he should chase hardware while he can?

I'm hoping that, in each case, the answer is #2 instead of #1. If so, I can live with it in the long term. And at the moment, I'm willing to give NSWE the benefit of the doubt. Edens has proven he wants to win and can win, as evidenced by the NBA success in Milwaukee. And NSWE are splashing out a lot of cash this summer, whether to convince Grealish to stay or to prepare for his departure (probably a little of both). But again, only time will tell.

 

 

May not get to his peak years if all this injury speculation is true.

Didn't be say he'd like to work in a club if it ended for him or that he'd like to own a club? Bit strange from Grealish shortly after he came back from injury, was said our the blue wasn't it?

[MotoMkali]

2 minutes ago, Dave-R said:

May not get to his peak years if all this injury speculation is true.

Didn't be say he'd like to work in a club if it ended for him or that he'd like to own a club? Bit strange from Grealish shortly after he came back from injury, was said our the blue wasn't it?

If he wasn't a football player he'd be a club promoter in ibiza. But that's more if he wasn't good enough as a football player. 

[Kiwivillan]

19 minutes ago, TomC said:

Assuming that it happens (which is looking likely), I'm looking at the short term and the long term.

In the short term, am I disappointed? Of course. With the possible exception of Paul McGrath, Grealish is the best Villan since I started supporting Villa in 1992-93.

For the long term, what does this say about NSWE's ambition for the club? Only time will tell, because I see two possible motivations for NSWE in selling, and two possible motivations for Grealish in going. Looking at NSWE first, are they selling because...

1. They lack ambition, or because

2. They made the rational decision that £100m is a lot of money for a player who had injury problems last year, which can be used to deepen the squad with high quality players, which is a necessary step towards competing for Champions League spots and the title?

Similarly, did Grealish leave because...

1. He thinks NSWE lack ambition, or because

2. He made the rational evaluation that he's 25, the next 5 years are probably his peak years, he has injury problems and gets fouled a lot and could have even fewer peak years, and although NSWE are ambitious, Villa's timetable for becoming a truly big club is probably at least 5 years away, so he should chase hardware while he can?

I'm hoping that, in each case, the answer is #2 instead of #1. If so, I can live with it in the long term. And at the moment, I'm willing to give NSWE the benefit of the doubt. Edens has proven he wants to win and can win, as evidenced by the NBA success in Milwaukee. And NSWE are splashing out a lot of cash this summer, whether to convince Grealish to stay or to prepare for his departure (probably a little of both). But again, only time will tell.

 

 

@Fairy In Boots has covered this in detail recently and to me it makes the most sense that Grealish, his family, and his agent have been angling for a move long ago regardless of club's ambition and how many times he's said he's a boyhood Villa fan. He's snaked out on us

[Stevo985]

2 hours ago, AJ said:

My point to what, my original post or my reply to yours?

In my original post, I thought it was obvious. Football player who spouts BS about loyalty and then does opposite shocker.

As for your reply, I found so much to disagree with, the easiest way was to reword your post. 

Honestly, I can't understand your admiration for a club who has destabilised us several times in the past. 

My opinion of Man City has nothing to do with my point. 
 

My point was a lot can change in a year. Grealish has had an incredible season. And whatever we think of Man City, it’s a huge opportunity for him. I don’t think him being so enthusiastic about Villa last season when he signed a contract is a bad thing. 

[Keyblade]

19 minutes ago, MotoMkali said:

Bosh, Carter, McGrady, Lowry. Sucks man.

At least you know DeRozan loved you to the end. Before you know, you traded him for a ring. 

Also Lowry is leaving a legend and has our blessings. Got us our ring, we're good. Time for the rebuild.

Jack though? Just another Gareth Barry. It's only been 10 years and sometimes I forget he was such an important player for us.

[TomC]

16 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

@Fairy In Boots has covered this in detail recently and to me it makes the most sense that Grealish, his family, and his agent have been angling for a move long ago regardless of club's ambition and how many times he's said he's a boyhood Villa fan. He's snaked out on us

It could very well be that Grealish made his calculation a year or two ago, but my question was essentially whether NSWE have ambition, and whether Grealish's decision reflects on that ambition. Regardless when he made his decision (if he has made it at all), Grealish could have decided that NSWE's timetable does not match his. That decision does not mean that NSWE necessarily lack ambition, only that it will take too long to happen for Grealish's taste.

 

 

[Kiwivillan]

Just now, TomC said:

It could very well be that Grealish made his calculation a year or two ago, but my question was essentially whether NSWE have ambition, and whether Grealish's decision reflects on that ambition. Regardless when he made his decision (if he has made it at all), Grealish could have decided that NSWE's timetable does not match his. That decision does not mean that NSWE necessarily lack ambition, only that it will take too long to happen for Grealish's taste.

 

 

Nah there's no question about NSWE ambitions besides even discussing FFP it's about Jack and family not being from money and being dazzled by the agent on what was on offer