MakemineVanilla Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) I only watched the trailer of WWZ which looked visually stunning but was full of borrowings from other films. The whole 'guy must single-handedly save nuclear family from hostile and lethal force' looked a bit like Tom Cruise in War of The Worlds. The same whining female child who has to be carried as WOFTW, looked a bit too familiar. Ideologically, from the compact car they were driving, and the Brad Pit character looking a bit scuzzy, instantly made them white blue collar. This is very popular in disaster movies and I was surprised that they weren't Irish (Die Hard and Terminator), which is seen as a solid blue collar credential in America (non-wasp). Given the director's determination to establish an unmistakable blue collar identity for those we are supposed to care about, and the fact that the hostile and lethal threat are infected humans (greed), it seemed likely that the film was a remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers but in reverse. IOTBS (1978) was supposed to be about the threat of communism (characters were middle-class under threat) and WWZ seems to be about greed and self-interested Republicanism (tea-baggers), wanting to attack and destroy the American working-classes, in an era of financial meltdown and economic crisis. An important issue which could decide matters is whether the zombies on the plane are travelling in first-class or second. What the trailer does not show is whether the Pitt character has any special rapport with any black characters (another American trope). Can anyone put me right on that? The film has already taken $540m and so it obviously resonated with young blue collar audiences. I haven't seen the film or read any reviews, so how inaccurate are my guesses? Edited October 28, 2013 by MakemineVanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Wtf... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2013 The trailer was WAY the best bit of the movie - that's how I got suckered into watching it. Your suggestions may be correct, but it's pretty hard to tell, as character motivation is not really apparent. But yes, he DOES hug a black colleague quite early on! (I must issue a slight disclaimer here - I missed some parts of the film as I fell asleep. The missus tells me I missed nothing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 The trailer was WAY the best bit of the movie - that's how I got suckered into watching it. Your suggestions may be correct, but it's pretty hard to tell, as character motivation is not really apparent. But yes, he DOES hug a black colleague quite early on! (I must issue a slight disclaimer here - I missed some parts of the film as I fell asleep. The missus tells me I missed nothing). Brilliant! Thanks Mr Mooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) I only watched the trailer of WWZ which looked visually stunning but was full of borrowings from other films. The whole 'guy must single-handedly save nuclear family from hostile and lethal force' looked a bit like Tom Cruise in War of The Worlds. The same whining female child who has to be carried as WOFTW, looked a bit too familiar. Ideologically, from the compact car they were driving, and the Brad Pit character looking a bit scuzzy, instantly made them white blue collar. This is very popular in disaster movies and I was surprised that they weren't Irish (Die Hard and Terminator), which is seen as a solid blue collar credential in America (non-wasp). Given the director's determination to establish an unmistakable blue collar identity for those we are supposed to care about, and the fact that the hostile and lethal threat are infected humans (greed), it seemed likely that the film was a remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers but in reverse. IOTBS (1978) was supposed to be about the threat of communism (characters were middle-class under threat) and WWZ seems to be about greed and self-interested Republicanism (tea-baggers), wanting to attack and destroy the American working-classes, in an era of financial meltdown and economic crisis. An important issue which could decide matters is whether the zombies on the plane are travelling in first-class or second. What the trailer does not show is whether the Pitt character has any special rapport with any black characters (another American trope). Can anyone put me right on that? The film has already taken $540m and so it obviously resonated with young blue collar audiences. I haven't seen the film or read any reviews, so how inaccurate are my guesses? I think you forgot sexist .. isn't there only 1 major'ish female character ? I like the subtle dig at Palestine So Israel saw it coming , built a wall and kindly allowed some Palestinians in , who break into song to express their happiness , resulting in Israel being destroyed it was about as subtle as a brick though interestingly enough a lot of other interweb sites are saying the film is anti-Semitic for this same scene ... Edited October 28, 2013 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 The WWZ film was awful. Survivors (UK tv) + The Walking Dead. But it was so wrong and very frustrating, it was like the disaster was following the leading star (Pitt) and not that the disaster was taking over the world. It just wasn't a good narrative, a case of Pitt turning up and the shit hitting the fan, how one man can be at all major events is just ridiculous. The book is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Finally made use of sky Disney last night and watched finding nemo for the first time. Bloody good film to be fair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) I only watched the trailer of WWZ which looked visually stunning but was full of borrowings from other films. The whole 'guy must single-handedly save nuclear family from hostile and lethal force' looked a bit like Tom Cruise in War of The Worlds. The same whining female child who has to be carried as WOFTW, looked a bit too familiar. Ideologically, from the compact car they were driving, and the Brad Pit character looking a bit scuzzy, instantly made them white blue collar. This is very popular in disaster movies and I was surprised that they weren't Irish (Die Hard and Terminator), which is seen as a solid blue collar credential in America (non-wasp). Given the director's determination to establish an unmistakable blue collar identity for those we are supposed to care about, and the fact that the hostile and lethal threat are infected humans (greed), it seemed likely that the film was a remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers but in reverse. IOTBS (1978) was supposed to be about the threat of communism (characters were middle-class under threat) and WWZ seems to be about greed and self-interested Republicanism (tea-baggers), wanting to attack and destroy the American working-classes, in an era of financial meltdown and economic crisis. An important issue which could decide matters is whether the zombies on the plane are travelling in first-class or second. What the trailer does not show is whether the Pitt character has any special rapport with any black characters (another American trope). Can anyone put me right on that? The film has already taken $540m and so it obviously resonated with young blue collar audiences. I haven't seen the film or read any reviews, so how inaccurate are my guesses? I think you forgot sexist .. isn't there only 1 major'ish female character ? I like the subtle dig at Palestine So Israel saw it coming , built a wall and kindly allowed some Palestinians in , who break into song to express their happiness , resulting in Israel being destroyed it was about as subtle as a brick though interestingly enough a lot of other interweb sites are saying the film is anti-Semitic for this same scene ... I did notice the sexism but not the same as you did. The whole plot arises from the ideological notion that the male must take charge, take all the risks and generally be the rescuer, while the women say stuff like, "I'm frightened!". The ideological trope that a man must choose between his country and his family and choose his country, is also notable. The fact that the film starts in Manhattan, as sign-posted by the shot from the Chrysler building, which is near to Wall Street, seems to support my thesis. So add that to the Israel thing and the anti-Semitic accusation looks tenable. It looks like was completely wrong about it being an attack on Republicans and is actually an attack on Wall Street, which seems obvious now. Edited October 28, 2013 by MakemineVanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 It's just a film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 It's just a film. Yeah, I know, but there is more than one way to enjoy a film. Some films are so bad, a special effort is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 To anyone who didnt watch the film ....no need to after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 "I Am Legend" had some major faults, but it was still a better Zombie movie than WWZ. would be interested in the opinion of anyone who has read both books because I am legend is probably the biggest onscreen raping of a good book ive ever seen at least WWZ claims to only borrow from the book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2013 Oh, I totally agree about "Legend" - but even as a failure of a film I thought it was more entertaining than WWZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) So who is the joker being this makeminevanilla gimmick account then? Stevo? Gareth? Can't be real surely? Edited October 28, 2013 by Ingram85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted October 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2013 Just watched the 4 hour English subtitled 'Das boot'. Fantastic film, far better than I would have thought TBH. The characters are so well fleshed out and the sense of claustrophobia comes across fantastically. Feckin Tommys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Just watched the 4 hour English subtitled 'Das boot'. Fantastic film, far better than I would have thought TBH. The characters are so well fleshed out and the sense of claustrophobia comes across fantastically. Feckin Tommys! A great film. It is a strange feeling to find yourself on the side of the Germans when they are trying to sneak through the straits of Gibraltar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2013 The book Das Boot is also superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 3.10 To Yuma remake. Enjoyed it. Bit unbelievable towards the end with Crowe following Bale's character through the town, before actually deciding to help him by getting on the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) I'm normally implacably opposed to remakes, and the original '3.10' is one of my favourite westerns, so I was sceptical. Must admit though, it wasn't bad - although by creating a more involved plot, they diluted the 'psychological/noir' element of the original. Edited October 28, 2013 by mjmooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Just watched the 4 hour English subtitled 'Das boot'. Fantastic film, far better than I would have thought TBH. The characters are so well fleshed out and the sense of claustrophobia comes across fantastically. Feckin Tommys! Only the 4 hour version? PUH. Get yer hands on the 'Original Uncut Version' which runs at just about 5 hours. The most perfect movie/series ever made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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