The_Rev Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 He won 3 and drew 1 of four games at Stamford Bridge. He lost 1 and drew 3 of four visits to Villa Park. Villa Park is the only English ground he has played at and not won at as far as I am aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Haha! Barcelona Have that, you w*nkers! Messi - best player in the World!? Suck on Ronaldo's goal, you hyped up little pr*ck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 My opinions on game Pepe had a great game and MOTM Messi was anonymous Valdes and Puyol showed why they are average, Benzema not far behind Ozil is a top player in top 10 in Europe and maybe most underrated player in Europe Real Madrid deserved to win, Barcelona a team famous for passing and olding possesion were pretty poor at that today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Haha! Barcelona Have that, you w*nkers! Messi - best player in the World!? Suck on Ronaldo's goal, you hyped up little pr*ck! I know, crazy isn't it! how can people dare to believe such things. :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Is the game worth watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Anyway, my honest opinion. Real set up not to differently to 5-0 loss last year, I honestly believe R.Madrid were there for the taking. For starters, the 3-4-3 played right into the hands of Real Madrid. Ronaldo hasn't been at his best when he's played against the likes of Alves, largely ineffective in fact, Ronaldo didn't really have to move back all game as Puyol at RB/CB of the three was never going to support forward which meant Ronaldo could break and get in 1 on 1 situations vs Puyol, only one winner. Ronaldo is a great player, 2nd best in the world IMO but he must have been laughing with how easy the game was made for him. Real Madrid biggest threat counter-attacking out wide and Barca simply played into a system that suited them, far too many numbers down the middle of the pitch without any sort of penetration. I watched the 5-0 game back, the key to that game is how they stretched Barca as a team and how they worked the most important areas, (the madrid back line) tonight, defending Barca is easy. Messi always drop deep, he's the best but he's containable if he has to do it all. Last year, he drops deep but both Pedro and Villa are already starting on the CB's and FB's shoulders, it means they can't step up and move up into Messi, leaving him more space. Barca's midfield runs are easier to track if they haven't already got players they are looking at. for example, Busquets, Thiago, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi were all basically at times across the same lines with Tello and Alves flanks. The Real Madrid CB's had nothing to mark, the Real FB's didn't really have to tuck in a great deal becuse there was no players looking to play on the shoulder which meant Tello/Alves were denied space and firstly, Tello isn't good enough and secondly Alves is far better from deep, not playing high and beating men in tight spaces. Whenver there was runners, even good late runs, although I don't think the passes were of the best quality from Barca, Real Madrid always could react quick enough to stop the threat. Last year for much of the game, Pedro and Villa were constantly playing inside the full back, the full backs were getting dragged inside, the CB's were constantly aware and it also left a lot of space for both Alves and Abidal who in that game shared the duties of going forward, while the other tucked around for the counter attack, Real that game had to tuck in to secure themselves but there was always an out ball out on the flanks because Madrid's wingers, especially Ronaldo didn't track back for parts (tactics not being critical) and the times he did track back, well they've been successful in pushing him back defending his own box not ready for the counter. Along with that, quite simply the touch, passing, finishing and ideas weren't at that clinical level which doesn't help but quite frankly I just don't understand why he don't play a normal back 4 (adriano, alves and then pick two out of masch/puyol/pique) and then busquets, iniesta, xavi middle with sanchez/pedro either flank and Messi dropping deep. People argue that Messi is the product of a brilliant Barca system and passing game which without doubt helps in many occasions but you could argue last night that was the downfall. As soon as Sanchez come on, the game changed a little, his runs were far more central, Messi was able to run with the ball in good areas without facing a line of defenders, the movement of likes of Sanchez allowed Messi the space to drive into areas, (which happened for the goal as Pepe got slightly dragged by Sanchez movement) where was the options he had? we saw the Xavi chance and 1000x times this season, he can find the right pass. in fact, the goal and their best other chance (xaxi) both game from his plays so although he's not at his best, he's still chief creator which is also their biggest problem. 63 goals, 26 assists this season. i dare to even look at the stats of those closest, i'd have a guess at around fabregas with 16-17 goals and similar assists to find closest near him and he hasn't even scored in about 3 months! way over reliant on Messi for both scoring and creating especially recently (scored in 14 in 15 before last two games). Villa and Pedro scored nearly 50 between them last year, they haven't had that this year. at times midfielders got beyond him but given the fact they had no one else to mark it was easy to spot runs and watch dangers, if they have Sanchez like Villa did, playing inside full backs making clever runs suddenly they have to think. It didn't matter if Messi went past anyone tonight because when he did, nothing was in front of him apart Real Madrid shirts apart from Alves/Tello who were stationed very wide which meant little penetration. both full backs and wide forward would have give Real Madrid a real dilemna tonight i think and given the fact they didn't press at all high up the pitch, I really believe they were there for the taking but the Barca game played into their hands. basically i thought Barca played a system which had zero penetration and left them self exposed. I think the three at the back is good (if teams drop deep only) if they play Fabregas and Sanchez and another wide forward like Cuenca/Pedro/Tello whatever. so it's basically like a 3-3-4 with players constantly driving into spaces beyond the defence and pushing them back OR if the other team tries to press really high, then it's dangerous but a similar tactic today could work because in a game where pressure is high, more control in the midfield and naturally because R.M presses higher, it gives Messi more space in dangerous areas so they don't need as many runners off him but today it was too much like; Tello-----X-------X---------X---------X---Alves -----------X--------X-------------- ---Iniesta------X------Messi------------------------- ----X------Thiago, Xavi------------------X- -------------Busq---X------------------------ Adriano------Masch----------Puyol----------- which quite frankly meant there was **** all danger to deal with and everytime they got the ball, they could break really well with great players. anyway, i'm just annoyed and back from a night out so sorry if not much makes great sense but in my own mind I know what i'm thinking (could do with being good with graphic shit to make my point) Anyway real deserve title. Consistent, similar team all year, not over reliance on a single player but quality when it matters, when real needed Ronaldo, he stepped up, when Ronaldo needed Real, others scored the goals. when Barca needed Messi, he scored, when Messi needed Barca...... well yeah. too much rotation (i mean, Tello today, really?), slightly unlucky with injuries as well but not really an excuse given talent. Just hope they bounce back in Champions League and go again next year, they have the potential. edit; also i don't think the system suits Xavi a great deal, it cuts off a lot of passing lanes forcing him simple, also a reason i think he's been taken off a lot more recently, if xavi hasn't got options available to him, he doesn't have THAT much to offer. he was sacraficed vs levante and also tonight but quite frankly if there is not much forward of him or the players forward (alves/tello vs real madrid) there isn't real that much available to him. teams are letting him have the ball at the moment, he might be brilliant but without real options, he's ineffective at what you play him for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I remember reading a stat a while ago that the 2 stadiums Jose had played at most without a win were Nou Camp and Villa Park, guess we're the top remaining team now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 22, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2012 Valdes and Puyol showed why they are average, Benzema not far behind You say some truly bizarre things sometimes, Zatman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Anyway, my honest opinion. Real set up not to differently to 5-0 loss last year, I honestly believe R.Madrid were there for the taking. The team was clearly setup differently.. they were more disciplined and closed down space quicker. Carvalho played in the 5-0 etc, Di Maria had a more defensive role etc... Benzema tracking back throughout the game is another example.. I think since the 2-2 the team have found belief and now they are getting rewards for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Valdes and Puyol showed why they are average, Benzema not far behind You say some truly bizarre things sometimes, Zatman. Valdes is a crap goalkeeper and Puyol is a Catalan Jamie Carragher all heart no talent. Collins and Dunne could play Barcelona and they would still win the league. as for Benzema he is a very average player and not Real Madrid standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I thought Puyol was brilliant against Chelsea the other night. It's Pep's weird tactics that have given themselves more problems than they really should have. Why when he had the perfect system in place did he feel the need to change it this season? Still even the greatest managers get things wrong from time to time. Great post by the way Pride of Brum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Is the game worth watching? if you want to see a team set up with ambition vs barcelona and really out play them without winning by defending like mad with 20% possession and a counter attacking goal then yes the only downside on the game was barca didnt really turn up and i agree about valdes being average but his reading of the game makes him a good barca keeper due to the line they hold and his sweeping ability, and if you think puyol is average then you obviously missed him vs drogba in midweek, his reading of the game is as good as anyones IMO despite him **** up last night, benzema would walk in to any team probably other than barca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 It's Pep's weird tactics that have given themselves more problems than they really should have. Why when he had the perfect system in place did he feel the need to change it this season? case of too many cooks, he has perfect system and club signed Fabregas and had to find a spot for him but couldnt drop Busquets, Alves, Xavi or Iniesta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think he overthinks things. One day he's going to abandon traditional defenders and play a team of small, technical midfielders in the hope of maintaining possesion at all times, regardless of where they are on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Valdes and Puyol showed why they are average, Benzema not far behind You say some truly bizarre things sometimes, Zatman. Valdes is a crap goalkeeper and Puyol is a Catalan Jamie Carragher all heart no talent. Collins and Dunne could play Barcelona and they would still win the league. as for Benzema he is a very average player and not Real Madrid standard Regardless of what others say, I agree. Valdes lets in some truly awful goals, especially when you consider how little he is tested. Puyol is way past his best and in a lesser side he'd look way out of his depth (Carragher comparison a good one in my opinion). Benzema I don't rate, but I can see why some do. Not good enough for Madrid I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 22, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2012 Valdes and Puyol showed why they are average, Benzema not far behind You say some truly bizarre things sometimes, Zatman. Valdes is a crap goalkeeper and Puyol is a Catalan Jamie Carragher all heart no talent. Collins and Dunne could play Barcelona and they would still win the league. as for Benzema he is a very average player and not Real Madrid standard The prosecution rests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Anyway, my honest opinion. Real set up not to differently to 5-0 loss last year, I honestly believe R.Madrid were there for the taking. For starters, the 3-4-3 played right into the hands of Real Madrid. Ronaldo hasn't been at his best when he's played against the likes of Alves, largely ineffective in fact, Ronaldo didn't really have to move back all game as Puyol at RB/CB of the three was never going to support forward which meant Ronaldo could break and get in 1 on 1 situations vs Puyol, only one winner. Ronaldo is a great player, 2nd best in the world IMO but he must have been laughing with how easy the game was made for him. Real Madrid biggest threat counter-attacking out wide and Barca simply played into a system that suited them, far too many numbers down the middle of the pitch without any sort of penetration. I watched the 5-0 game back, the key to that game is how they stretched Barca as a team and how they worked the most important areas, (the madrid back line) tonight, defending Barca is easy. Messi always drop deep, he's the best but he's containable if he has to do it all. Last year, he drops deep but both Pedro and Villa are already starting on the CB's and FB's shoulders, it means they can't step up and move up into Messi, leaving him more space. Barca's midfield runs are easier to track if they haven't already got players they are looking at. for example, Busquets, Thiago, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi were all basically at times across the same lines with Tello and Alves flanks. The Real Madrid CB's had nothing to mark, the Real FB's didn't really have to tuck in a great deal becuse there was no players looking to play on the shoulder which meant Tello/Alves were denied space and firstly, Tello isn't good enough and secondly Alves is far better from deep, not playing high and beating men in tight spaces. Whenver there was runners, even good late runs, although I don't think the passes were of the best quality from Barca, Real Madrid always could react quick enough to stop the threat. Last year for much of the game, Pedro and Villa were constantly playing inside the full back, the full backs were getting dragged inside, the CB's were constantly aware and it also left a lot of space for both Alves and Abidal who in that game shared the duties of going forward, while the other tucked around for the counter attack, Real that game had to tuck in to secure themselves but there was always an out ball out on the flanks because Madrid's wingers, especially Ronaldo didn't track back for parts (tactics not being critical) and the times he did track back, well they've been successful in pushing him back defending his own box not ready for the counter. Along with that, quite simply the touch, passing, finishing and ideas weren't at that clinical level which doesn't help but quite frankly I just don't understand why he don't play a normal back 4 (adriano, alves and then pick two out of masch/puyol/pique) and then busquets, iniesta, xavi middle with sanchez/pedro either flank and Messi dropping deep. People argue that Messi is the product of a brilliant Barca system and passing game which without doubt helps in many occasions but you could argue last night that was the downfall. As soon as Sanchez come on, the game changed a little, his runs were far more central, Messi was able to run with the ball in good areas without facing a line of defenders, the movement of likes of Sanchez allowed Messi the space to drive into areas, (which happened for the goal as Pepe got slightly dragged by Sanchez movement) where was the options he had? we saw the Xavi chance and 1000x times this season, he can find the right pass. in fact, the goal and their best other chance (xaxi) both game from his plays so although he's not at his best, he's still chief creator which is also their biggest problem. 63 goals, 26 assists this season. i dare to even look at the stats of those closest, i'd have a guess at around fabregas with 16-17 goals and similar assists to find closest near him and he hasn't even scored in about 3 months! way over reliant on Messi for both scoring and creating especially recently (scored in 14 in 15 before last two games). Villa and Pedro scored nearly 50 between them last year, they haven't had that this year. at times midfielders got beyond him but given the fact they had no one else to mark it was easy to spot runs and watch dangers, if they have Sanchez like Villa did, playing inside full backs making clever runs suddenly they have to think. It didn't matter if Messi went past anyone tonight because when he did, nothing was in front of him apart Real Madrid shirts apart from Alves/Tello who were stationed very wide which meant little penetration. both full backs and wide forward would have give Real Madrid a real dilemna tonight i think and given the fact they didn't press at all high up the pitch, I really believe they were there for the taking but the Barca game played into their hands. basically i thought Barca played a system which had zero penetration and left them self exposed. I think the three at the back is good (if teams drop deep only) if they play Fabregas and Sanchez and another wide forward like Cuenca/Pedro/Tello whatever. so it's basically like a 3-3-4 with players constantly driving into spaces beyond the defence and pushing them back OR if the other team tries to press really high, then it's dangerous but a similar tactic today could work because in a game where pressure is high, more control in the midfield and naturally because R.M presses higher, it gives Messi more space in dangerous areas so they don't need as many runners off him but today it was too much like; Tello-----X-------X---------X---------X---Alves -----------X--------X-------------- ---Iniesta------X------Messi------------------------- ----X------Thiago, Xavi------------------X- -------------Busq---X------------------------ Adriano------Masch----------Puyol----------- which quite frankly meant there was **** all danger to deal with and everytime they got the ball, they could break really well with great players. anyway, i'm just annoyed and back from a night out so sorry if not much makes great sense but in my own mind I know what i'm thinking (could do with being good with graphic shit to make my point) Anyway real deserve title. Consistent, similar team all year, not over reliance on a single player but quality when it matters, when real needed Ronaldo, he stepped up, when Ronaldo needed Real, others scored the goals. when Barca needed Messi, he scored, when Messi needed Barca...... well yeah. too much rotation (i mean, Tello today, really?), slightly unlucky with injuries as well but not really an excuse given talent. Just hope they bounce back in Champions League and go again next year, they have the potential. edit; also i don't think the system suits Xavi a great deal, it cuts off a lot of passing lanes forcing him simple, also a reason i think he's been taken off a lot more recently, if xavi hasn't got options available to him, he doesn't have THAT much to offer. he was sacraficed vs levante and also tonight but quite frankly if there is not much forward of him or the players forward (alves/tello vs real madrid) there isn't real that much available to him. teams are letting him have the ball at the moment, he might be brilliant but without real options, he's ineffective at what you play him for. :yawn: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 It's Pep's weird tactics that have given themselves more problems than they really should have. Why when he had the perfect system in place did he feel the need to change it this season? case of too many cooks, he has perfect system and club signed Fabregas and had to find a spot for him but couldnt drop Busquets, Alves, Xavi or Iniesta. True. Thiago's progress has been hampered by Fabregas's signing. I would have thought it would be better to develop him by bringing him in and out of the side when Xavi or Iniesta needed resting and then bring Cesc in in a couple of years time when his Arsenal deal was down to its last couple of seasons (I think he still had 4 years on his contract when he signed for Barca) to replace Xavi. Either way I think no other manager than Jose would have won the league for Real ahead of even this Barca side so I have to credit him as much as I dislike his football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Anyway, my honest opinion. Real set up not to differently to 5-0 loss last year, I honestly believe R.Madrid were there for the taking. For starters, the 3-4-3 played right into the hands of Real Madrid. Ronaldo hasn't been at his best when he's played against the likes of Alves, largely ineffective in fact, Ronaldo didn't really have to move back all game as Puyol at RB/CB of the three was never going to support forward which meant Ronaldo could break and get in 1 on 1 situations vs Puyol, only one winner. Ronaldo is a great player, 2nd best in the world IMO but he must have been laughing with how easy the game was made for him. Real Madrid biggest threat counter-attacking out wide and Barca simply played into a system that suited them, far too many numbers down the middle of the pitch without any sort of penetration. I watched the 5-0 game back, the key to that game is how they stretched Barca as a team and how they worked the most important areas, (the madrid back line) tonight, defending Barca is easy. Messi always drop deep, he's the best but he's containable if he has to do it all. Last year, he drops deep but both Pedro and Villa are already starting on the CB's and FB's shoulders, it means they can't step up and move up into Messi, leaving him more space. Barca's midfield runs are easier to track if they haven't already got players they are looking at. for example, Busquets, Thiago, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi were all basically at times across the same lines with Tello and Alves flanks. The Real Madrid CB's had nothing to mark, the Real FB's didn't really have to tuck in a great deal becuse there was no players looking to play on the shoulder which meant Tello/Alves were denied space and firstly, Tello isn't good enough and secondly Alves is far better from deep, not playing high and beating men in tight spaces. Whenver there was runners, even good late runs, although I don't think the passes were of the best quality from Barca, Real Madrid always could react quick enough to stop the threat. Last year for much of the game, Pedro and Villa were constantly playing inside the full back, the full backs were getting dragged inside, the CB's were constantly aware and it also left a lot of space for both Alves and Abidal who in that game shared the duties of going forward, while the other tucked around for the counter attack, Real that game had to tuck in to secure themselves but there was always an out ball out on the flanks because Madrid's wingers, especially Ronaldo didn't track back for parts (tactics not being critical) and the times he did track back, well they've been successful in pushing him back defending his own box not ready for the counter. Along with that, quite simply the touch, passing, finishing and ideas weren't at that clinical level which doesn't help but quite frankly I just don't understand why he don't play a normal back 4 (adriano, alves and then pick two out of masch/puyol/pique) and then busquets, iniesta, xavi middle with sanchez/pedro either flank and Messi dropping deep. People argue that Messi is the product of a brilliant Barca system and passing game which without doubt helps in many occasions but you could argue last night that was the downfall. As soon as Sanchez come on, the game changed a little, his runs were far more central, Messi was able to run with the ball in good areas without facing a line of defenders, the movement of likes of Sanchez allowed Messi the space to drive into areas, (which happened for the goal as Pepe got slightly dragged by Sanchez movement) where was the options he had? we saw the Xavi chance and 1000x times this season, he can find the right pass. in fact, the goal and their best other chance (xaxi) both game from his plays so although he's not at his best, he's still chief creator which is also their biggest problem. 63 goals, 26 assists this season. i dare to even look at the stats of those closest, i'd have a guess at around fabregas with 16-17 goals and similar assists to find closest near him and he hasn't even scored in about 3 months! way over reliant on Messi for both scoring and creating especially recently (scored in 14 in 15 before last two games). Villa and Pedro scored nearly 50 between them last year, they haven't had that this year. at times midfielders got beyond him but given the fact they had no one else to mark it was easy to spot runs and watch dangers, if they have Sanchez like Villa did, playing inside full backs making clever runs suddenly they have to think. It didn't matter if Messi went past anyone tonight because when he did, nothing was in front of him apart Real Madrid shirts apart from Alves/Tello who were stationed very wide which meant little penetration. both full backs and wide forward would have give Real Madrid a real dilemna tonight i think and given the fact they didn't press at all high up the pitch, I really believe they were there for the taking but the Barca game played into their hands. basically i thought Barca played a system which had zero penetration and left them self exposed. I think the three at the back is good (if teams drop deep only) if they play Fabregas and Sanchez and another wide forward like Cuenca/Pedro/Tello whatever. so it's basically like a 3-3-4 with players constantly driving into spaces beyond the defence and pushing them back OR if the other team tries to press really high, then it's dangerous but a similar tactic today could work because in a game where pressure is high, more control in the midfield and naturally because R.M presses higher, it gives Messi more space in dangerous areas so they don't need as many runners off him but today it was too much like; Tello-----X-------X---------X---------X---Alves -----------X--------X-------------- ---Iniesta------X------Messi------------------------- ----X------Thiago, Xavi------------------X- -------------Busq---X------------------------ Adriano------Masch----------Puyol----------- which quite frankly meant there was **** all danger to deal with and everytime they got the ball, they could break really well with great players. anyway, i'm just annoyed and back from a night out so sorry if not much makes great sense but in my own mind I know what i'm thinking (could do with being good with graphic shit to make my point) Anyway real deserve title. Consistent, similar team all year, not over reliance on a single player but quality when it matters, when real needed Ronaldo, he stepped up, when Ronaldo needed Real, others scored the goals. when Barca needed Messi, he scored, when Messi needed Barca...... well yeah. too much rotation (i mean, Tello today, really?), slightly unlucky with injuries as well but not really an excuse given talent. Just hope they bounce back in Champions League and go again next year, they have the potential. edit; also i don't think the system suits Xavi a great deal, it cuts off a lot of passing lanes forcing him simple, also a reason i think he's been taken off a lot more recently, if xavi hasn't got options available to him, he doesn't have THAT much to offer. he was sacraficed vs levante and also tonight but quite frankly if there is not much forward of him or the players forward (alves/tello vs real madrid) there isn't real that much available to him. teams are letting him have the ball at the moment, he might be brilliant but without real options, he's ineffective at what you play him for. :yawn: thanks for the response. annoyingly i play saturdays, don't get to see us half the time and with Villa being ridic shit under McLeish, it's hard to watch. only team i can see on weekly basis is barca and i have nowhere else to just write an opinion. previous seasons with villa i had opinions but this year, it's just hard to talk about. although the post may not interest you or even anyone on the forum quite frankly, what was the point in your response? just seems pathetic. it's just an opinion within the spanish la liga. no need to respond for it. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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