Popular Post StanBalaban Posted June 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2023 5 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: This is going to be blown up astronomically by people who are desperate to win " the wokest warrior " awards isn't it? Context, nuance and intent still matters. You can frame anything to look how we want it to ffs. I get everything is alot more sensitive now and he may need a heads up on why this probably won't fly but Jesus man. People need to chill out... I highly doubt we've hired a KKK Grand Wizard as our Football Director. Whilst I'm in no position to say what anyone should find offensive, I can say that as someone from Indian heritage myself, I'm not particularly troubled by this. I'm probably more bothered by the fairy tale itself, but that's for Off Topic. Sure it's a clunky tradition which wouldn't be acceptable in many parts of the world now, but there's no real intent to cause harm or ridicule anyone here. Had their tradition been to make their wise men brown, I wouldn't be particularly fussed either. Context and intent are important. I'm certainly not going to look at Monchi in a lesser light having seen this. It wasn't really that long ago that Hollywood had films like Short Circuit, where Fisher Stevens was browned-up to play an Indian scientist. Looking back, something like that is far more inappropriate (especially for a family movie), and they could have easily cast an Indian actor to play the role. Pretty cringe worthy today, but not something I'm going to lose my shit about when watching him in Succession. As JV says, context and nuance matter a great deal. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strog Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, delboy54 said: Where I work there are people who have job titles that I have no idea what they mean....or do. What the hell is a "senior vertical strategy manager" ?...... Someone who has a scalable and futureproof strategy resulting from blue sky thinking, going forward. I kid you not, I worked with someone who came out with that kind of crap all the time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 49 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: This twerp has obviously been sat on this waiting to post as soon as he was appointed. Yawn. The problem is that he has a decent enough following (16.5k) for it to potentially gain traction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MellbergsBeard Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 I don’t think we should go around meddling in other countries traditions, they need to learn for themselves what is right and wrong and looking through Spanish newspapers they are slowly getting there with blackface. football is a multicultural sport with people from all different walks of life with all different views who are we (with our not perfect past or present) to tell any other country what is right and wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 I thought it was the time he auditioned for Tropic Thunder but Robert Downey Jr pipped him to the role. As others have said - the context and tradition behind it matters a great deal. Spain have different views, beliefs and traditions - him taking part in this role doesn’t make him racist. I’m pretty sure if he catches wind of the storm in a teacup being started he’d be mortified knowing the views of ‘black facing’ in the UK. I don’t necessarily agree with their tradition but understand the context of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 It's an old tradition, racist? Hell no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vive_La_Villa Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Apparently Ramos and Van Nistelrooy have done it in the past too. I can see how people find it offensive but the issue seems to be more around the fact they are choosing to use a white person with blacked face to represent the role than one of the many black people that live in Spain. This is a Spain problem, not a Monchi problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 Hey, I now read from Birmingham Mail that Monchi was mates with the all-time King of football, El Diego. Now he has my unreserved backing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 10 hours ago, est1874 said: Is this the greatest thing ever? Jesus I don't know, time will tell. It's another corporate restructure. We've had half a dozen over the last decade alone. Let's see if it sticks / works before we start crowning Monchi king is all I'm saying. 10 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: I have to take a balanced approach to pretty much everything else in my life. Football is, realistically, completely inconsequential and so I allow myself to be in the throes of joy and despair at any given moment. You are both right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 “Your my president of footballing operations now” ”Dave” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Delphinho123 Posted June 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2023 I blame Buendia. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Monkeypuzzle said: So we have someone new at the club? Is there anything controversial about him people would like to discuss? I find the fact that he has a network of 700 Boy Scouts somewhat disturbing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Monkeypuzzle said: So we have someone new at the club? Is there anything controversial about him people would like to discuss? He's culturally appropriated the pronuciation of part of your nickname. How'd you feel about that, huh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TRO Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 8 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: This is going to be blown up astronomically by people who are desperate to win " the wokest warrior " awards isn't it? Context, nuance and intent still matters. You can frame anything to look how we want it to ffs. I get everything is alot more sensitive now and he may need a heads up on why this probably won't fly but Jesus man. People need to chill out... I highly doubt we've hired a KKK Grand Wizard as our Football Director. Some people, will look for anything, Shaun......This isn't racism and folk shouldn't deem it as such. Also , we are in no place to dictate culture to other countries, its their business. fortunately, sensible minded folk like you, see that. If Mother Theresa was being signed up, some folk would find fault. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TRO said: Some people, will look for anything, Shaun......This isn't racism and folk shouldn't deem it as such. Also , we are in no place to dictate culture to other countries, its their business. fortunately, sensible minded folk like you, see that. If Mother Theresa was being signed up, some folk would find fault. It may not be racist it's a bloody stupid thing to do in the 21st century, and an intelligent man should know better. Culture my arse, I know plenty of Spanish folk who'd never dream of doing something like that. The idiot. Edited June 17, 2023 by est1874 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villadevon Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 13 hours ago, Jas10 said: Plenty of cover for absenteeism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, TRO said: Some people, will look for anything, Shaun......This isn't racism and folk shouldn't deem it as such. Also , we are in no place to dictate culture to other countries, its their business. fortunately, sensible minded folk like you, see that. If Mother Theresa was being signed up, some folk would find fault. Wand of a left foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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