beachboys1 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, picicata said: He didn't have 'a go' he asked for proof of your assertion 3 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: So you would advocate that the club should just pay twice what they think a player is worth? all im saying they wont let go for lower than release clause thats what its for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 19, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, AshVilla said: 68m is madness. Oh, it's not "madness." It's market. Take £30M off, and I'd say it's just about fair. But all the Boehly-Saudi PIF-Nasser Al-Khelaifi-petroclub money has distorted the price points. This is precisely what many have predicted. Clubs without those resources who are edging into the top of the table -- like us and Brighton -- really face messed up prices. Did you think all that was going to stop this summer because we made the Conference league? Edited June 19, 2023 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, beachboys1 said: all im saying they wont let go for lower than release clause thats what its for It isn't really. Lots of Spanish players get sold for well under their release clause. Sometimes it is there just to put other teams off. Sometimes it is there as a kind of insurance policy - this player might turn into the next Messi so we need to make sure that IF he does then we get a good deal. Sometimes I am sure it is just there as an ego booster - we're buying you for £5m but hey we think you could be a £60m player. It's a bit like going into a carpet shop on holiday and the guy saying "This is top quality. I can do you a special deal for just £5k." You counter with £1k and both of you know that the selling price is going to be around £2.5k. Every now and again the seller will get lucky and someone will pay the full amount up front because they really like the colour / pattern. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, beachboys1 said: all im saying they wont let go for lower than release clause thats what its for Joao Palhinha was sold for £20m by Sporting to Fulham and he had a £50m release clause. They decided to cash in as they wanted to give Ugarte more time. Similar can happen again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Good when trolls get fed the poison of logic. Totally ruins their fun. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, beachboys1 said: all im saying they wont let go for lower than release clause thats what its for Disagree. See posts following yours by allani and sne. Edited June 19, 2023 by AntrimBlack edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 19, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, sne said: Joao Palhinha was sold for £20m by Sporting to Fulham and he had a £50m release clause. They decided to cash in as they wanted to give Ugarte more time. Similar can happen again. Can? Yes. Will? Who knows. Sporting sit in a position of strength. While they might sell Gonçalves well below his release in the end, there's no reason for them to hurry when you have clubs buying up players at inflated values all around you. Perhaps Sporting will wait to see what the fishing nets bring in, and then start considering lower offers in earnest? I think Gonçalves is exciting and I bet he would work well at Villa, but he's capable of runs of poor form, too. Glad I'm not the one tasked with making these calls lol. It just all seems soooooooooo confusing right now. Edited June 19, 2023 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Marka Ragnos said: Oh, it's not "madness." It's market. Take £30M off, and I'd say it's just about fair. But all the Boehly-Saudi PIF-Nasser Al-Khelaifi-petroclub money has distorted the price points. This is precisely what many have predicted. Clubs without those resources who are edging into the top of the table -- like us and Brighton -- really face messed up prices. Did you think all that was going to stop this summer because we made the Conference league? We have far more resources than Brighton, it's not even close. Likewise Brentfird and Fulham too. Only the Sky 6 + Newcastle have more resources than us and Newcastle's turnover is still lower than ours so both of us have to come up with ways to increase this. Edited June 20, 2023 by Leeroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 As for Goncalves I would also be reluctant to pay the £68m release clause but £45-50m is probably about fair. He's better than Buendia and we paid £38m in total for him. I'd have thought we could break our transfer record to sign Goncalves and if he had a similar impact to Fernándes at Man Utd it would be worth it. His stats are very impressive but it is the Portuguese league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 20, 2023 49 minutes ago, Leeroy said: We have far more resources than Brighton, it's not even close. Likewise Brentfird and Fulham too. Not really my point. We still have to work within the same messed up market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Villan_of_oz Posted June 20, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) I am all for being a diverse and inclusive club but.... If his calves have really gone will he be of much use to us? It might be better to spend this amount of money on someone who still has full use of both legs. Just my opinion of course. Edited June 20, 2023 by Villan_of_oz 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Leeroy said: We have far more resources than Brighton, it's not even close. Likewise Brentfird and Fulham too. Only the Sky 6 + Newcastle have more resources than us and Newcastle's turnover is still lower than ours so both of us have to come up with ways to increase this. Newcastle have already done that with their latest related-party sponsorship deals. We have to come up with genuine ways to increase it, which is a big part of why our fans are being screwed over with the season ticket price rises. Villa live, hosting shows, increased box capacity, more hospitality options, increased seating capacity. Will all help, but fundamentally we'll never close the gap on their sponsorship deals. Even if we made the CL for one season, I doubt we'd get even half what they get from whoever the **** Sela are. Edit: realising we're on the Goncalves thread.... if we can afford €68m on one player, and still get the other targets we need, I'd be fine with that. But I don't think we can. If there is genuine interest hopefully we can negotiate it down. Or there might be better value to be has elsewhere, especially using Monchi's knowledge. Edited June 20, 2023 by MrBlack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Villan_of_oz said: I am all for being a diverse and inclusive club but.... If his calves have really gone will he be of much use to us? It might be better to spend this amount of money on someone who still has full use of both legs. Just my opinion of course. It's a Ç not a C, - it's his complete lack of ointment that we need to worry about. What if he burns himself making a fry up? We'd be f****d! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2023 On 20/06/2023 at 09:44, lexicon said: It's a Ç not a C, - it's his complete lack of ointment that we need to worry about. What if he burns himself making a fry up? We'd be f****d! Pan residue would make the perfect ointment. Problem solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 On 19/06/2023 at 19:19, beachboys1 said: all im saying they wont let go for lower than release clause thats what its for As other have pointed out, the minimum fee release clause is to protect the player, not the club. Even If the club wanted to let him go for free, they can. What they CAN’T do, is decline a bid that matches the minimum fee release clause. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2023 On 20/06/2023 at 03:27, Villan_of_oz said: I am all for being a diverse and inclusive club but.... If his calves have really gone will he be of much use to us? It might be better to spend this amount of money on someone who still has full use of both legs. Just my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 On 19/06/2023 at 21:36, Marka Ragnos said: Can? Yes. Will? Who knows. Sporting sit in a position of strength. While they might sell Gonçalves well below his release in the end, there's no reason for them to hurry when you have clubs buying up players at inflated values all around you. Perhaps Sporting will wait to see what the fishing nets bring in, and then start considering lower offers in earnest? I think Gonçalves is exciting and I bet he would work well at Villa, but he's capable of runs of poor form, too. Glad I'm not the one tasked with making these calls lol. It just all seems soooooooooo confusing right now. Which is why we’ve employed the expprtienced Monchi to guide us through the minefield without stepping on a mine. We can’t negotiate the minefield though without going through it. Staying at home behind the lines is always safer but rarely productive I’m afraid. If we want to play the game at a higher level we need to be brave but clever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Not longer so we were the hunted with Grealish the prey, it’s more interesting now that we’re doing the hunting buckle up and enjoy the thrill of the chase for a change. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marka Ragnos Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2023 4 hours ago, DaveAV1 said: Not longer so we were the hunted with Grealish the prey, it’s more interesting now that we’re doing the hunting buckle up and enjoy the thrill of the chase for a change. Why does this sound like a Simon LeBon lyric? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 22 hours ago, Marka Ragnos said: Why does this sound like a Simon LeBon lyric? Pharos I can launch a new career song writing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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