Tom13 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 48 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Yes I do I don't think he's a better player though, not even close Archer doesn't get those chances that Ollie gets because his positioning, movement or ability to play off the defender isn't as good Archer would not score as many goals as Watkins let alone have the overall impact on us as what Watkins does I think archers better than duran and selling him is the wrong decision but trying to compare him with Watkins is daft Watkins doesn't make 'killer runs'. Ings does, that's why Buendia used to thrive playing with Ings in front of him. Archer does also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Archer is very very clearly a better finisher. It's the only thing he's got over him mind. If Watkins is a better passer than Archer I'd be shocked. Touch also. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Risso said: That’s not really a tweak though. Neither of them are number 9s. We'd just have to play a little differently. Diaby would be excellent at coming short (compared to Ollie wanting balls played early and attempting to run behind defences) so I think Diaby CF and that should create extra space for someone like Ramsey on the left once he's backed. I wanted Cam to stay but not sure this game that was lost in first 20 minutes is the best example to highlight this. Duran is raw as we all know but he's shown in last few weeks he can score and contribute v weaker opposition so he should be capable of starting three of the europa games and also the Everton league cup match to rest Ollie's legs for league games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Looks a bit mental. Might get more bookings and sending offs than goals. Hope there's a player in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 What struck me today is how quick he is. He took a couple of silly wild shots but we can forgive those because we were in Roy of the Rovers territory in terms of getting anything from the game. I also thought he didn't do too badly with using his body and his passing with back to goal. While he is obviously still extremely raw, with his recent appearances I am beginning to see how he could become very useful indeed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 8 hours ago, villa4europe said: I like archer... He really doesn't No proof of that as he wasnt given a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: No proof of that as he wasnt given a chance I think Archer was expecting regular game time. The odd cup game wouldn't have been acceptable for him. Even if we wanted to keep him he still would have wanted to leave. Equal quality cover in every position is a fantasy and it won't work. If a quality player isn't regularly playing chances are they are gonna want to leave. Not fight for their place. Edited September 4, 2023 by Pinebro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 10 hours ago, BigJim said: What struck me today is how quick he is. He took a couple of silly wild shots but we can forgive those because we were in Roy of the Rovers territory in terms of getting anything from the game. I also thought he didn't do too badly with using his body and his passing with back to goal. While he is obviously still extremely raw, with his recent appearances I am beginning to see how he could become very useful indeed. Agree with all of this. The panic is a little absurd and very knee-jerk as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Got 15 mins at end of Colombia Venezuela game. Not sure he did much, but good that he’s trusted already by his international coach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 He's got all of the tools to be played against competition we should beat and the occasional substitute wild card in high pressure games. Good for his development if he gets about 10 starts this season with lots of substitute appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 Another cap last night, really impressive he is getting game time with the strikers Colombia have Its another reason why I have no problem backing up Watkins if something did happen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Easy to forget he's just 19 given the fee spent and the corresponding expectation. I think this guy has a very high ceiling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Philosopher Posted September 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) On 03/09/2023 at 22:56, Tom13 said: Watkins doesn't make 'killer runs'. Ings does, that's why Buendia used to thrive playing with Ings in front of him. Archer does also. Ings is a goal poacher, who used to put in a shift when out of possession, but hasn't got the legs anymore. He wasn't good enough for us. Watkins makes very good runs, but his run aren't all about getting into the box. He makes runs that create space and time for others. Watkins is far superior to both Ings and Archer at running in behind down the channels. Which is essential to how we play under Emery in regards to exploiting the transitions and hitting teams on the counter. Buendia thrives when opponents give him space and time. When opponents get close to him, he gets shut down. Newcastle at home last season he had all the time and space in the world. Once we pierced their high press, Buendia and Ramsey did a great job at moving into the spaces opened up by Newcastle committing bodies to their high press. He found Watkins time and again. The likes of Diaby and Bailey play either higher or wider than Buendia who likes drops off into space. Bailey and Diaby don't tend to drop off as they look to get into the channels, and in behind. Zaniolo however can do this. And he is a better player than Buendia. So next time we face an aggressive high press if Zaniolo is fit I'd expect him to play. Archer is a fine finisher and has a superior touch to both our current strikers, but his abilty to work the channels, hold the ball up, and link things up is inferior. If we look to control possession in the opposition half tiki taka style Archer could've been useful. But he would still need to learn how to play in that style of team. Edited September 14, 2023 by Philosopher 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 He is weird, some of his touches says he’s not even a professional player, but again some of his finishing and plays turns out to be perfect. I’m not talking about his nonsense shots as he’s trying to impress at any cost, but some blindly runs and bad touches. But to be fair even Watkins used to have those touches (well still does as well but improved). When you see him playing with his national team, and remember that he’s actually 1 or even 2 years younger than Archer, you’d still be hopeful about his ceiling. For me he’s either going to be up there with our best strikers (which isn’t a miracle achievement to be honest), or he’d fall apart. I’m hoping for the first one, we’ve invested a huge amount (considering his age and league he came from). Seems an Emery player as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DakotaVilla Posted September 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2023 Your regular reminder that Jhon Duran is a whole two years younger than Archer (who was playing on loan at Preston at Jhon’s age) and is 6 months younger than Louie Barry. This kid is humble, doesn’t appear to shirk the hard work and is blessed to have the opportunity to work with Emery and to have other positive role models in the squad. I’m absolutely convinced he’s going to be Benteke level for us barring any serious injury. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, DakotaVilla said: Your regular reminder that Jhon Duran is a whole two years younger than Archer (who was playing on loan at Preston at Jhon’s age) and is 6 months younger than Louie Barry. This kid is humble, doesn’t appear to shirk the hard work and is blessed to have the opportunity to work with Emery and to have other positive role models in the squad. I’m absolutely convinced he’s going to be Benteke level for us barring any serious injury. 89 top flight appearances and 6 international caps... He's doing something right He needs to mature as much as anything, lose that his enthusiasm can lead to rashness especially in how he closes down and challenges defenders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 4 hours ago, DakotaVilla said: Your regular reminder that Jhon Duran is a whole two years younger than Archer (who was playing on loan at Preston at Jhon’s age) and is 6 months younger than Louie Barry. This kid is humble, doesn’t appear to shirk the hard work and is blessed to have the opportunity to work with Emery and to have other positive role models in the squad. I’m absolutely convinced he’s going to be Benteke level for us barring any serious injury. I hear the first part of your post, but being convinced already that he'll be Benteke level is a strong take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 5 hours ago, villa4europe said: 89 top flight appearances and 6 international caps... He's doing something right He needs to mature as much as anything, lose that his enthusiasm can lead to rashness especially in how he closes down and challenges defenders And the bloody shots from mental positions. Get em gone. Unless we're 4-0 up, then I'll allow it because they are so funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 I love him not because of his potential ceiling (which could be great), but because he's already proven himself to be a world class s**thouser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 9 hours ago, abdulaziz1 said: He is weird, some of his touches says he’s not even a professional player, but again some of his finishing and plays turns out to be perfect. Sounds like the perfect Ollie Watkins understudy then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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