HanoiVillan Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 5 hours ago, Zatman said: Would he get that many bids? They will be wanting at least what they paid and has not stood out that much in the Premier League. Not sure who would be even interested in him Spurs paid 40 million for Maddison who was better and more established Yes, he'd definitely get bidders this season. He's clearly been their best player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 14 hours ago, mikeyjavfc said: Seems like Forest knew what they were doing and gambled that the PSR punishment would be worth the squad building that cheating would allow. Given they have only suffered to the tune of 4pts and they will probably stay up ahead of Luton I would say they were correct. If they get relegated though it will be a disaster. Bet they shit themselves when they saw Everton get 10pts initially. What's now stopping a club like Newcastle just saying, '**** it' and buying a City tier super squad, take a pathetic points deduction, finish mid table, then challenge for the title the following season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted March 20 VT Supporter Share Posted March 20 43 minutes ago, duke313 said: What's now stopping a club like Newcastle just saying, '**** it' and buying a City tier super squad, take a pathetic points deduction, finish mid table, then challenge for the title the following season? Well yeah, and argument about where the money comes from aside, the alternative is that no one ever challenges for the title again. To me this is as much about fit and proper persons as FFP. The issue with Newcastle is that the owners are not fit and proper, not that they are spending money. The PL has successfully convinced everyone that it's a money issue, not an owner issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 3 hours ago, duke313 said: What's now stopping a club like Newcastle just saying, '**** it' and buying a City tier super squad, take a pathetic points deduction, finish mid table, then challenge for the title the following season? 2 things: 1. Penalty is depandant on how big the breach is. To buy City tier squad they would need to over spend massively and get massive penalty. 2. FFP consequences would be with them for many seasons, while they pay these players their wages and amortisation, so they would get slammed with penalty not just one season but every year. In essence, this is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: 2 things: 1. Penalty is depandant on how big the breach is. To buy City tier squad they would need to over spend massively and get massive penalty. 2. FFP consequences would be with them for many seasons, while they pay these players their wages and amortisation, so they would get slammed with penalty not just one season but every year. In essence, this is nonsense. There is no clarification on how many points are deducted for overspending, they're literally making it up as the go along. Forest overspent more than Everton, yet their points deduction was less Edited March 20 by duke313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 8 minutes ago, duke313 said: There is no clarification on how many points are deducted for overspending, they're literally making it up as the go along. Forest overspent more than Everton, yet their points deduction was less That was because of mitigations. Broadly speaking penalty goes up with the breach amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Promoted clubs have basically no chance if they aren't allowed to spend money that exceeds the income they can generate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 52 minutes ago, Pinebro said: Promoted clubs have basically no chance if they aren't allowed to spend money that exceeds the income they can generate No chance of what? Winning the league? Brighton and Brentford managed to establish themselves in the league following promotion without breaking the rules. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 52 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: No chance of what? Winning the league? Brighton and Brentford managed to establish themselves in the league following promotion without breaking the rules. The gap is widening. We could see all 3 promoted clubs going back down and all 3 relegated sides coming back up this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 9 minutes ago, bobzy said: The gap is widening. We could see all 3 promoted clubs going back down and all 3 relegated sides coming back up this season. And last season all three promoted clubs stayed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, duke313 said: And last season all three promoted clubs stayed up Two of them (Bournemouth, Fulham) relegated in consecutive previous seasons and aided by parachute payments. They make a massive difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjavfc Posted March 20 VT Supporter Share Posted March 20 8 hours ago, duke313 said: What's now stopping a club like Newcastle just saying, '**** it' and buying a City tier super squad, take a pathetic points deduction, finish mid table, then challenge for the title the following season? Not sure we will see a super squad assembled but I think now a precedence for 4-6 pts has been set more upwardly mobile teams will consider this as fair trade for building a competitive squad that can stay in the premier league. The PL were right with the initial 10pts given to Everton - the punishment has to be severe if they want it to be serious deterrent against cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 5 hours ago, Pinebro said: Promoted clubs have basically no chance if they aren't allowed to spend money that exceeds the income they can generate The issue with Forest is they sign the amount needed....and then another five players on top of that! Start of this season they had Awoniyi, Chris Wood as main two CFs. In injury situation you can play Elanga or even Gibbs White as false 9. They decide to sign Origi who is way past it and scored one goal all season. At left back they had Neco Williams who plays LWB for Wales every single time, Toffolo, Ola Aina, Omar Richards (who's never played a match for them and now is at Olympiakos) yet on the last day of the window they decided to get in Nuno Tavares even though he'd flopped at Arsenal. He's featured in just seven league games all season (actually played more under Nuno than Cooper) so he wasn't needed at all. A few of the signings have quickly been put on loan at Olympiakos so it's obviously another cartel of clubs like Watford had years back where they directly traded between themselves and Udinese and saved a few quid.... There is no problem with ambition but Forest have signed way too many players they simply didn't need in last 18 months. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Funny people were talked down that Lingard was a bad financial signing but just because he did one year he helped increase wages across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Anyway only player would take from them is Awoniyi. Decent goal record in a shit team and be a good back up with Duran for Ollie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted March 20 VT Supporter Share Posted March 20 4 hours ago, bobzy said: The gap is widening. We could see all 3 promoted clubs going back down and all 3 relegated sides coming back up this season. I called it on here year's ago (and was laughed at) that we were heading towards having a group of about 25/26 clubs that basically rotate between the top two leagues. The money is making it harder and harder for Championship clubs to compete and it's only getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Whilst no accountant, it would seem FFP is a less than subtle way to protect the big hitters and stop investment in different clubs. I've always thought owners should just have to somehow guarantee the spending they are commiting to over and above what the club earn. So if Owner X wants to buy £100m squad, he can do so as long as he secures a guarantor to cover that bill and wages of all contracts. If Owner X ups and leaves, he pays up what's due or his guarantor (presumably a bank/insurance firm) does. The club lose the player at the end of the contract but are not forced to wind up/ firesales if owners leave. Surely finance companies would be these guarantors for a fee. Would mean new money in the sport and the chance for investment at sole risk to the owner and not the club. OR, this is complete crap because I know nothing about finance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 7 hours ago, duke313 said: There is no clarification on how many points are deducted for overspending, they're literally making it up as the go along. Forest overspent more than Everton, yet their points deduction was less This isn't actually true; if you read the Forest judgement (posted earlier in the thread) they explain in quite lengthy detail how they came to the number they did, and also clarify that the extent of the breach is a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Anyway only player would take from them is Awoniyi. Decent goal record in a shit team and be a good back up with Duran for Ollie If the criteria is backup/squad rotation, then Gibbs-White, Danilo and Murillo all look handy whilst being young (or youngish in Gibbs-White case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Murillo is one they're probably going to sell in the summer to pay the FFP bills. Thought he was in the latest Brazil squad but it's one from Palmerias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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