PaulMcGrath_5 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Zero chance we sign a new RB. Not needed at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, paul514 said: We have two first team full backs plus now a loan player and a 37 year old. None of the kids are ready yet, we definitely need a right back. Time for me to leave the thread for a few weeks. We've all gone crazy We have Cash, Guilbert, Chambers, KKH, Young and Konsa who can play RB. We have Digne, Augustinsson, Young, Hause, Chrisene and Mings who can play LB. We have two players for each position and a wealth of backup options who can cover, plus a promising youngster for both sides. We aren't signing a full back and it's mental to think we need to Edited July 17, 2022 by HalfTimePost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said: Guilbert or Chambers or Konsa or Kesler as hack up to Cash. Well and truly covered Disagree. Chamber and Konsa are centre backs. KKH needs to go on loan to a championship side and do it there - That is my stance on pretty much all youngsters. Guilbert is ok but has a short contract now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: Time for me to leave there thread for a few weeks. We have Cash, Guilbert (1 year deal and just about ok), Chambers (Centre back), KKH (Has played well in the third tier of football), Young (OAP) and Konsa (centre back) who can play RB. We have Digne, Augustinsson, Young, Hause, Chrisene and Mings who can play LB. - I wasn't suggesting a left back after signing a loan player for the year, but again you have added an OAP, kids who haven't proven it in the championship and centre backs none of which I would want playing half the games if Digne got injured on february first. (Augustinsson doesn't exist in that hypothetical) We have two players for each position and a wealth of backup options who can cover, plus a promising youngster for both sides. We aren't signing a full back and it's mental to think we need to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, paul514 said: Disagree. Chamber and Konsa are centre backs. KKH needs to go on loan to a championship side and do it there - That is my stance on pretty much all youngsters. Guilbert is ok but has a short contract now. Fine, but as far as priorities go, a backup RB is probably bottom of the list, is the point people are trying to make IMO. Funds aren't unlimited and FFP exists, there are much better ways to spend whatever funds we night have Edited July 17, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hank Scorpio Posted July 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2022 I don't see why we need a RB. We need a central midfielder. At a push a striker. Then we should be done. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 25 Man Squad Homegrown = * Think we’re allowed 17/25 none homegrown players. We currently have 15/25 Space for 2/3 more, if we shift some deadwood. I haven’t included the U21s as I think they’re exempt. 1 Martinez* 2 Cash* 3 Digne 4 Carlos 5 Mings* 6 Kamara 7 McGinn 8 Luiz 9 Buendia 10 Coutinho 11 Watkins* 12 Olsen 13 Guilbert 14 Augustinsson 15 Chambers* 16 Konsa* 17 Nakamba 18 Sanson - SELL/LOAN 19 Young* (he isn’t a CM) 20 Bailey 21 Traore 22 Ings* 23 El Ghazi - SELL 24 Hause* - SELL/LOAN 25 Davis* - SELL U21 players (Contract and Scholars) J. Ramsey - 1st Team Sqd Archer - 1st Team Sqd Philogene-Bidace - 1st Team Sqd A. Ramsey - 1st Team Sqd / LOAN Chukwuemeka - SELL Azaz (LOAN) Barry (LOAN) Bogarde Chrisene (LOAN) Feeney Kessler-Hayden (LOAN) Iroegbunam (LOAN) Raikhy (LOAN) Sinisalo (LOAN) So we could easily accommodate a starting CM, a back up CM, a ST and a CBL, even if they were all non homegrown. Perhaps not all this Summer but it’s doable. We’d obviously have to get shot of El Ghazi and Sanson to do this though. Edited July 17, 2022 by burchy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, paul514 said: Why is Augustinsson for a year OK at Left Back but Guilbert for a year at Right Back isn't? I also disagree on Young, he won the league at Inter from fullback, he can be third choice for us after finishing 14th. Not all kids need to rip the Championship up to get a go - especially from 4th choice. And Chambers was a RB, plus he's 3rd or 4th choice CB now, so has a role in the squad. Same for Konsa. We don't need one. Edited July 17, 2022 by HalfTimePost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 15 hours ago, jim said: Except we’ve signed a player since then A loan. He won’t be first choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaHatesMe Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 What could you realistically get for Guilbert at this point? He's more valuable to you as bench depth than he is on the transfer market. Makes far more sense to keep him and then let him walk next summer. It's not as if the club spent £25 million on him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 If first team and (direct backup) and kid/utility GK Martinez (Olsen) Marschall RB Cash (Guilbert) Kesler CB Carlos (Konsa) Hause CB Mings (Chambers) Feeney LB Digne (Augustinsson) Young CM Kamara (Nakamba) Chukwuemeka CM McGinn (Luiz) Iroegbunam CM Ramsey (Sanson) A. Ramsey AM Buendia (Traore) Philogene-Bidace AM Coutinho (Bailey) El Ghazi ST Watkins (Ings) Archer In my opinion, we still look like we need another senior option in central midfield as none of those four are consistent and we need two of them to be in form at any one time. Defensively, we seem ok as long as we're prepared to drop underperforming players sometimes... Naming no names... TM. Attacking wise there are questions over Bailey and, more so, Traore. Up front we do seem a little short, especially if Archer isn't deemed ready. Some talented kids help pad the squad out further. Personally I'd be looking for that elusive midfield engine who can tackle (fairly McGinn!) and create and then a striker. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jas10 Posted July 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2022 5 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Is that you Steve? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 8 hours ago, paul514 said: Disagree. Chamber and Konsa are centre backs. KKH needs to go on loan to a championship side and do it there - That is my stance on pretty much all youngsters. Guilbert is ok but has a short contract now. But bringing in another RB just blocks the path for KKH. Cash is first choice, Guilbert as backup and then others who can cover… AND we could still loan out KKH. Bringing in another body there would be madness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted July 18, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2022 15 hours ago, maqroll said: Is winning the League Cup a backdoor into Europe? If so, we should go all out to win it. It’s a front door to Europe technically. Finishing 7th and hoping the winners of the FA Cup and League Cup are in the top 6 is the back door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 5 hours ago, jackbauer24 said: CM Kamara (Nakamba) Chukwuemeka - He’ll be sold CM McGinn (Luiz) Iroegbunam CM Ramsey (Sanson) A. Ramsey AM Buendia (Traore) Philogene-Bidace AM Coutinho (Bailey) El Ghazi Disagree on where players are placed as IrnBru is a CDM and A. Ramsey is a CAM but the above points to us being short at CM as Tim will most likely go on loan and Sanson is not fancied. Having a player than can do both the 6 and 8 role would suit us. Ideally I’d like a CM to push McGinn Luiz as a starter and a 6/8 hybrid to cover, wishful thinking on my part though. I’d also like some more CAM cover as Anwar will be sold, JPB will most likely go on loan and Traore, although gifted, isn’t consistent enough, but that’s me being greedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I also think we’re in the market for a, key word here, ‘clinical’ finisher but not this Summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) We have one of the most clinical finishers in the league with Ings. Yes he missed some one on ones last season but show me any striker that takes every single big chance they get. Even Mo Salah misses loads! We’ll be struggling to find a better striker than Ings this summer. Edited July 18, 2022 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: We’ll be struggling to find a better striker than Ings this summer I kind of agree but I don’t think it’s Ings that’s the issue per se. It’s Watkins. Ings is not getting any younger and at this stage I’d say behind Watkins. If Watkins was more clinical then we wouldn’t be having this debate. What we need is a Star Trek transporter malfunction where Watkins and Ings are combined. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 18, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 minute ago, burchy said: What we need is a Star Trek transporter malfunction where Watkins and Ings are combined. Dolly Watkings. Hmmm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 8 hours ago, HalfTimePost said: Why is Augustinsson for a year OK at Left Back but Guilbert for a year at Right Back isn't? I also disagree on Young, he won the league at Inter from fullback, he can be third choice for us after finishing 14th. Not all kids need to rip the Championship up to get a go - especially from 4th choice. And Chambers was a RB, plus he's 3rd or 4th choice CB now, so has a role in the squad. Same for Konsa. We don't need one. Augustinsson is a better more experienced player. He's got nearly 50 caps for Sweden, he's CL and EL experience. He will add to the group even if he's not playing. Guilbert has a market value to us we can sell him and bank some profit for the balance sheet. We also have Ashley Young who can play Right Back and we have our most durable player in Cash for the position too. We also have Chambers has lots of Prem experience at Right Back so is certainly comfortable in that position. So on the balance we need no RB but we needed a LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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