AV82 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: He has to get fired for a contract pay-off, right? That's normally how it works? Or, alternatively, his lawyers could approach the club management for a negotiated exit? I'm wondering what kinds of long-term issues Gerrard's lawyers might be thinking through at the moment, so that he leaves in a decent situation. Let's be honest. He'll go out kicking and screaming unless we pay out his contract. It's as simple as that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thug Posted October 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2022 not sacked yet??? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonIsAPlaceOnEarth Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Club tweeted videos of him training today. He’s going nowhere before the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, DevonIsAPlaceOnEarth said: Club tweeted videos of him training today. He’s going nowhere before the weekend. That's the jam well and truly taken out of my doughnut. How depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, markavfc40 said: I have no problem with people putting some blame on the players but obviously within that you will be blaming the 9 players Gerrard has signed in the two transfer windows he has been here. So we have a manager who has had 38 games in charge, two transfer windows where he has signed 9 players and substantially increased the wage bill, a full pre season and yet despite all that we have seen zero improvement, in fact I'd argue we have gone backwards. The answer to that you seem to be suggesting is give him more time? Give him more time to do what exactly? bring in even more of his own players? any chance of him after a year maybe improving some of the players he inherited as I have seen no improvement in any of them under him and his coaching staff. The next game we will be 11 games into the season. Take less than a point from that game and we have a worse record than we had when Smith was sacked after 11 games last season. Sacked because we had stopped showing continuous improvement under a manager who had put a shed load of credit/goodwill in the bank in three years by getting us promoted, keeping us up and then taking us to our highest Prem points total since the days of O'Neill. What criteria is Gerrard being judged on exactly because it isn't the continuous improvement Purslow spoke of in the press conference where we unveiled him. One year of at best stagnation and we look more clueless the longer he has been here more often than not serving up dour, negative, clueless crap. Purslow now needs to again practice what he preached as we are seeing continuous decline under Gerrard never mind not seeing continuous improvement. Much of that, I have no beef with, but being devils advocate, let me share a varying perspective. Firstly, he has bought 4 first team players, the others being cover as far as I can see.....His 2 marquee signings bought to enhance our team has been lost to injury, the club in its wisdom, failed to buy more, much to the surprise of much of the fan base.....I think that raised a few eyebrows and may have affected Morale.....certainly no one expected the first game result or performance and I think SG cocked up and it set the tone. He has then lost his first team coach, to nothing but ambition, but quickly replaced him with another, albeit without a passport, to join the successful summer tour and settle in. I accept your point of 11 games in, something needs to be done.....I have no argument with that, because right or wrong, this run of losses, cannot continue. You could also argue mark some of the players in the Championship were better than what we have now.....With Jack, Terry and Tammy being prime thoughts. I think to claim the better points total, since O'Neill is a questionable attempt to skip over the poor record over the last 10 years, where a succession of managers have failed to produce anything like a progressive illustration of a winning mentality, where consistency in all forms player and team have not manifested itself. I don't want to keep harping on about Dean Smith and promotion it was a fantastic milestone for us, but we limped over the line through the play offs, and only for a once in a lifetime goal keeping display, we might not have made it....but the outcome was great....but lets not kid ourselves in to thinking it was a title win with a huge haul of points and wins......I accept Deans rescue job, was monumental in itself. Bar for Deans stupendous run of 10 wins, we have failed to display any kind of consistency to wards winning since O'Neills days over 12 years ago and before that was a wilderness too....We have never had a manager with a 50% win percentage record in our history, so lets not get too carried away, with our expectation. Dean was judged on his numbers during 2021 11 wins during that year.....SG has a record of 8 wins during 2022, with 7 games left, he needs 3 wins to equal Deans record, which lost him his job.....I empathise with the " good for the goose and for the gander" I don't know, If Christian Purslow is a good CEO or not, I don't know if he busy's himself with football matters, like HDE did and is out of his depth....I don't know if Johan Lange is any good either.....but maybe he feels he made a mistake with Dean and doesn't want to do it again. I am not saying everyone on here is wrong.....That I am not saying....but I do think this is more than just a rookie manager, out of his depth. I hope, I am wrong, and it is just that. Edited October 18, 2022 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 don’t think he’s going today lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, Folski said: Mutual termination, usually they will pay off a good chunk (almost all) of the contract. Surprised it hasnt been renamed the Brucey Bonus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheVilla26 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Everyone looks well happy in that video 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 22 hours ago, villa4europe said: I don't disagree with everything @TRO is ssaying but at the same time my problem is you're listing reasons as to why he should get a stay of execution and in my head all I can see are benefits of doubt Purslow is willing to give Gerrard that he wasn't willing to give Deano I'm now at the stage where I think we sacked deano for less despite him achieving a lot more which pisses me off even more Lets just say, He was wrong to sack Deano.....does he sack SG on the same basis? Surely if you do something wrong, you learn from it......I don't know if he does think like that....but for me there are too many unanswered questions. If someone is saying Steve Gerrards record of 8 wins during, 2022 deserves the sack, I find it hard to defend it, even if there are some mitigating circumstances. The criteria for sacking Gerrard should have nothing to do, with Dean Smith......They had different timescales to get it right. I am as miffed with our results as the next fan....but I was one of those, who stopped to clap the team at the end of Sundays games, despite my intense frustration....FWIW I am like most fans in as much my view, is affected, by the time passing of games......I think he will go after the Brentford game, because I can't see us getting the required points for him to save himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, KentVillan said: Apologies if others have already said this, but could be arsed to read through the whole thread. YES IT'S GERRARD'S ****ING FAULT, MCGINN SHOULDN'T BE ON THE PITCH Thats subjective.....even if, I wouldn't have him in my first 11. Edited October 18, 2022 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted October 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TRO said: Much of that, I have no beef with, but being devils advocate, lets me share a varying perspective.... Paul you seem to be making a fair few excuses, or stating extenuating circumstances, and even focused much of your attention on the past manager who was sacked for under achieving, but have not listed one positive of Gerrard's time here. Without writing war and peace and going over old ground if I was to make a simple case for getting rid it would be this. Gerrard has had pretty much a year, 39 games, two transfer windows and a full pre season. Of the players he inherited I can't name one who has improved. Of the players he has brought in I can't say one has made a significant difference to our fortunes in terms of results or performances. I accept that Carlos and Kamara got injured but shit happens and injuries are part of the game. His biggest signing, in terms of profile and cost (given the huge wages), Coutinho played pretty well initially but has made zero impact this season. We have no consistent style of play. If my life depended on it I couldn't tell you how Gerrards Villa like to set up. One game it is two up top, the next it is two narrow behind a lone striker, the next game it is two wide men and one through the middle. Sometimes we have two sitting midfielders, sometimes one. Sometimes the full backs push on and the two wide central midfielders fill in, sometimes the full backs hardly come over the half way line. One game we'll play a high press, the next we'll sit deep and play on the break. We often have zero tempo to our play going sideways/backwards as we look totally devoid of ideas. So we have a manager who has been here a year, over the last 30, 20, 10, 5 games averages no more than a point a game, who has improved not one player he inherited, has signed 9 players that have made zero positive impact on results/performances and has implemented no consistent style of play and there appears to be no attempt to. Given all the above I'd now love to read a simple summary of your case for keeping him or at least tell me what you have seen on the pitch in the last year that warrants him being given even more time. Edited October 18, 2022 by markavfc40 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didiersix Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Sam3773 said: Pub have confirmed it’s him. Mainstream media picking up on it now. Well, I say mainstream.. The Daily Mail. Not a great look - not because he’s not allowed a social life but because he does look absolutely hammered. Ah OK. I stand corrected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, duke313 said: How does this sound: Defeat to Fulham on Thursday Sacked on Friday Critchley in charge on Sunday New manager announced Monday/Tuesday This is what I find so draining about supporting Villa right now. We all know that this is going nowhere with Gerrard, but the only way we're put out of our misery is with further poor results which I can't really ever bring myself to hope for. The last few games have just been a bit numbing to watch, another to add to the list of terribly unenjoyable times to follow this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ender4 Posted October 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2022 I think if Gerrard gets 7 points from the Fulham and Brentford games, then he should be allowed to stay for longer. If he gets 6 or less, then he should be sacked. What? 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 He was never going to get the sack before Fulham, not after he wasn't sacked on Sunday or yesterday morning, and especially not after Tommy Jordan, not just some random twitter user, but someone who works for the club and works alongside Gerrard said he hadn't been sacked and Jordan wouldn't say that if he was about to be sacked in the next day or two either. And I know the reports say he might be sacked regardless of how well we do against Fulham and Brentford, but I'll believe that when I see it, we don't seem the type of club to sack a manager after a few positive results, easy to say it now, but if we were to get say four plus points from the next two, I doubt anyone would seriously be expecting us to then go and sack him. Part of me is wondering if the whole Pochettino thing was leaked in an attemp to placate fans this week, and then hope it will be forgotten about if we get a decent haul of points from Fulham and Brentford, not saying there isn't interest in Pochettino, I'm sure there probably is, but as above I doubt the club will sack Gerrard if we do well in the next two, we just don't seem proactive and brave enough when it comes to these matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, Zatman said: Mutual Agreement will be the line that is thrown around Yeah, No way he wants Sacked on his CV for first Premiership job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Disappointing to see the twitter putting a video of training and he’s on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Kingman said: Yeah, No way he wants Sacked on his CV for first Premiership job I mean, I think recruiters will have a good idea of what's happened here regardless of what the press release says! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Pinebro said: Can't believe you did this to me. I felt giddy and light headed! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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